pagey

No, we are not responsible. The critical pay has nothing, at all, to do with anything the pilots voted in, concessions or not.

The company willfully decided after 6 months of running that section of the contract as negotiated to simply ignore it. They payed a lawyer an exorbitant sum of money to come up with something, anything, in the way of a reason for violating the contract so blatantly. He did, and here we are.

This arbitrator was a moron for accepting this case in the first place. Arbitrators are mutually agreed upon. His career could literally be in the balance because whomever he decides against will never use him again.......THAT is why it is taking so long.

JetEagle

Maybe the pilot group should have voted no...

MXFlight

Seafeye is right. It has been long enough. Months went by where they negotiated couldn't come to agreement then went to arbitration, then kept pushing that back. Then the arbitrator says they should continue talks? They already did! Remember all the talks before? Company must be laughing. Delay delay delay.

Now no more union forum, very suspicious to me.

Realtalk

How much is owed from critical pay not being paid to it's pilots? Does your union have a rough idea/number?

astec

if I'm being completely honest.. at this point, its not only critical pay, its also QOL that was damaged. over the last year with the reserve grid being what it is, although its gotten better since staffing has become better, qol has greatly suffered. I would estimated critical pay damages to this point are well into the millions.

seafeye

No to what?
This had nothing to do with 900's for additional 700's. This was a huge part of our 2013 contract. That ALPA sold as the best in the regional airline world. Well fast forward 3 years and with the company not following specific sections we are left with at least 30% less money than the previous contract.
We aren't talking $5000 here. More like $30-$50k per year.
It's huge. And ALPA national is only good at signing contracts. They have crap lawyers who write crap contracts.

Ever wonder how the airlines were able to get f/o's flying jets for $18-$20/hr.
Alpa signed off on it. It protected mainline jobs. The very senior ones.

It's time to get rid of the u ion that takes our dues but continuously degrades the regional airlines

WakeWash

We have been getting updates and each conference call is recorded and save on the pilot website so no excuse to not go and listen. As to why the forum is down, this is due to she awful server that runs half off our website. Nothing to do with the union shutting it down as you say. The server issues are rolling into the grievance site as well which is why the union is in works right now to move servers and get a new grievance layout up and running as fast as possible. From my knowledge and experience right now I can tell you that while it is not pleasant at all, 6 months is the average for arbitrators to make a decisions. AVERAGE. Being such a complex case it will take longer as it has. I'm not happy with it just like anyone else. As for the confidentiality agreement, this was signed and has been known about since the arbitration. If the pilot that was flown with was in fact there for the arbitration, he would have known this. I'm sick of seeing all these pilots here complaining when they make no effort to get involved and inform themselves. You complain about your Union, but do nothing to get involved and make a difference. Each vote for leadership has at best around a 12% turnout. So no one votes, but complains about our representation. Quit whining and get involved and make the change you want to see. I am by no means siding with our union, but I am calling out everyone one of you who complains about everything but is to lazy do do anything about it.

1stCivDivPilot

The server being down is suspect at best after the last time it mysteriously shut down. If there were plans to improve or move it, where was the heads up?

The confidentiality agreement does not require that the pilot group get lied to about the status of the arbitration. We were told all along it was "with the arbiter and awaiting their decision" when in fact it was sitting in the union's lap for further negotiation as directed by the arbiter.

Many of us have reached out to committee members to volunteer and received zero contact back. Maybe I'll worry about trying again after the upgrade when I can actually feed my family.

pagey

Did you read my post at all or did you just jump at the opportunity to say this?

Our vote had nothing to do with critical pay.

Strykerinf

Good news for anyone who thinks ALPA is worthless and shouldn't be required to take our money or we get "fined" anyway

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