Republic vs TSA
05-19-2016, 02:38 PM
#11
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Position: 145
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If you want rdu, it is currently our most junior base at trans states, and I anticipate it will be that way for a long time. I think it would be a pretty safe bet you can get rdu or of training, or worst case, within a month or two. You would probably be on reserve for 2-3 months max at a junior base like rdu. A year ago I spent roughly 6 weeks on reserve after I completed training. As far as upgrade, upgrade times seem to be in flux. I would put them close to 2 years. If you have no prior 121 experience, it will take roughly 18 months to get the 1000 121 anyways.
I've liked trans states so far. The people are great. If you want to work a lot and make extra $$, it's really easy here, and I consistently credit more than 110 hours, which makes up for our slightly lower pay rate than rah. Our downside is that we fly the 145, but as others have said, our parent company owns three airlines. Staffing is an issue at all three certificates, and if we were to lose our aircraft, I believe they would either give us different planes that they are struggling to staff or start to consolidate/merge certificates, much like RAH did with republic/shuttle/Chautauqua.
Rah has the 170 and a pretty decent contract, they will definitely be around in the future. But how good the pay/contract will stay is up to the bankruptcy courts.
After RAH signed the new contract, I thought about jumping there to move closer to family. I ultimately decided there was too much uncertainty of whether their new contract would survive unscathed in bankruptcy court. I don't think it will go back to as bad as the old contract, but if you look at the precedent set by other airline bankruptcies, the courts have demanded concessions from all parties, and pilot contracts have ALWAYS taken a hit. Also, i consistently make about $1000/month more than my friends at RAH, and they said it would be very difficult to credit what I credit here at trans states at rah. Also, j would end up on the bottom of the seniority list with a 3-4 year upgrade time.
I've liked trans states so far. The people are great. If you want to work a lot and make extra $$, it's really easy here, and I consistently credit more than 110 hours, which makes up for our slightly lower pay rate than rah. Our downside is that we fly the 145, but as others have said, our parent company owns three airlines. Staffing is an issue at all three certificates, and if we were to lose our aircraft, I believe they would either give us different planes that they are struggling to staff or start to consolidate/merge certificates, much like RAH did with republic/shuttle/Chautauqua.
Rah has the 170 and a pretty decent contract, they will definitely be around in the future. But how good the pay/contract will stay is up to the bankruptcy courts.
After RAH signed the new contract, I thought about jumping there to move closer to family. I ultimately decided there was too much uncertainty of whether their new contract would survive unscathed in bankruptcy court. I don't think it will go back to as bad as the old contract, but if you look at the precedent set by other airline bankruptcies, the courts have demanded concessions from all parties, and pilot contracts have ALWAYS taken a hit. Also, i consistently make about $1000/month more than my friends at RAH, and they said it would be very difficult to credit what I credit here at trans states at rah. Also, j would end up on the bottom of the seniority list with a 3-4 year upgrade time.
Last edited by Celeste; 05-19-2016 at 02:49 PM.
05-19-2016, 05:52 PM
#14
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Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: Embraer Systems Analyst
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Originally Posted by 4thgenaviator
All,
Need a little bit of an opinion, even if they're biased.
I currently live in Raleigh and could (potentially) get Raleigh based with TSA. I have no problem moving to Pitt for Republic as I'm originally from the area.
Based off personal experience, upgrade projections, pay, reserve times, contracts, and equipment - which place would ya'll choose?
Need a little bit of an opinion, even if they're biased.
I currently live in Raleigh and could (potentially) get Raleigh based with TSA. I have no problem moving to Pitt for Republic as I'm originally from the area.
Based off personal experience, upgrade projections, pay, reserve times, contracts, and equipment - which place would ya'll choose?
Rah is still pretty bad, but with a stronger future and contract. New planes help a lot too. Tsa is a mom and pop, it's almost hard to believe they plan on running MRJs. Don't expect anything.
05-19-2016, 06:08 PM
#15
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Position: Embraer Systems Analyst
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Originally Posted by Celeste
Our downside is that we fly the 145, but as others have said, our parent company owns three airlines. Staffing is an issue at all three certificates, and if we were to lose our aircraft, I believe they would either give us different planes that they are struggling to staff or start to consolidate/merge certificates, much like RAH did with republic/shuttle/Chautauqua.
And also how would you like to sort out your place on the seniority list against gojet and compass if it ever comes down to us losing contracts? Sounds awesome.
05-19-2016, 06:15 PM
#16
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Joined APC: Mar 2016
Posts: 46
Originally Posted by minimwage4
Why would you go some place where this could be the future when there are lots of other places with secure large RJ contracts with already integrated certificates. This is part of the reason why recruiting is down to a trickle.
And also how would you like to sort out your place on the seniority list against gojet and compass if it ever comes down to us losing contracts? Sounds awesome.
And also how would you like to sort out your place on the seniority list against gojet and compass if it ever comes down to us losing contracts? Sounds awesome.
05-19-2016, 06:18 PM
#17
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Position: Embraer Systems Analyst
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Originally Posted by CptnSnoopDizzle
Nothing in this business is secure, take that out of the equation
05-19-2016, 06:37 PM
#18
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Joined APC: Jun 2011
Posts: 1,152
Originally Posted by Celeste
If you want rdu, it is currently our most junior base at trans states, and I anticipate it will be that way for a long time. I think it would be a pretty safe bet you can get rdu or of training, or worst case, within a month or two. You would probably be on reserve for 2-3 months max at a junior base like rdu. A year ago I spent roughly 6 weeks on reserve after I completed training. As far as upgrade, upgrade times seem to be in flux. I would put them close to 2 years. If you have no prior 121 experience, it will take roughly 18 months to get the 1000 121 anyways.
I've liked trans states so far. The people are great. If you want to work a lot and make extra $$, it's really easy here, and I consistently credit more than 110 hours, which makes up for our slightly lower pay rate than rah. Our downside is that we fly the 145, but as others have said, our parent company owns three airlines. Staffing is an issue at all three certificates, and if we were to lose our aircraft, I believe they would either give us different planes that they are struggling to staff or start to consolidate/merge certificates, much like RAH did with republic/shuttle/Chautauqua.
Rah has the 170 and a pretty decent contract, they will definitely be around in the future. But how good the pay/contract will stay is up to the bankruptcy courts.
After RAH signed the new contract, I thought about jumping there to move closer to family. I ultimately decided there was too much uncertainty of whether their new contract would survive unscathed in bankruptcy court. I don't think it will go back to as bad as the old contract, but if you look at the precedent set by other airline bankruptcies, the courts have demanded concessions from all parties, and pilot contracts have ALWAYS taken a hit. Also, i consistently make about $1000/month more than my friends at RAH, and they said it would be very difficult to credit what I credit here at trans states at rah. Also, j would end up on the bottom of the seniority list with a 3-4 year upgrade time.
I've liked trans states so far. The people are great. If you want to work a lot and make extra $$, it's really easy here, and I consistently credit more than 110 hours, which makes up for our slightly lower pay rate than rah. Our downside is that we fly the 145, but as others have said, our parent company owns three airlines. Staffing is an issue at all three certificates, and if we were to lose our aircraft, I believe they would either give us different planes that they are struggling to staff or start to consolidate/merge certificates, much like RAH did with republic/shuttle/Chautauqua.
Rah has the 170 and a pretty decent contract, they will definitely be around in the future. But how good the pay/contract will stay is up to the bankruptcy courts.
After RAH signed the new contract, I thought about jumping there to move closer to family. I ultimately decided there was too much uncertainty of whether their new contract would survive unscathed in bankruptcy court. I don't think it will go back to as bad as the old contract, but if you look at the precedent set by other airline bankruptcies, the courts have demanded concessions from all parties, and pilot contracts have ALWAYS taken a hit. Also, i consistently make about $1000/month more than my friends at RAH, and they said it would be very difficult to credit what I credit here at trans states at rah. Also, j would end up on the bottom of the seniority list with a 3-4 year upgrade time.
Several bankruptcies the contract has stayed intact. Most recently, Mesa. Know your history. Don't spew out misinformation.
The RAH contract isn't to be touched and the court has already approved that. All parties know if it was, that would be the end of rah. So all parties, investors, company and court agree on that.
05-19-2016, 06:43 PM
#19
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Joined APC: Sep 2015
Posts: 671
My time at RAH has been fine. I live in base, I have a line, and got it early. I get the days of the week off that I wanted, and I'm flying 98 hours in June, just like I want.
Living in base is very important. The longest trips I have are 4 days, and so I drive an hour and a half to the airport on day 1 (usually afternoon starts) and do 2 or 3 legs. On day 4 I usually end midday and I'm home for dinner.
I'm not saying you're gonna get the exact same thing, but I'm definitely not pulling my hair out at this job. I will of course move on as soon as a better opportunity arises because that's the goal and it's the natural progression of my career, but this isn't the torturous slave labor that people make it out to be. If you want that, go fly at a small 135 and do 14 hour days for 5 or 6 days a week making $10/hr.
The crews are good people, the hotels are nice (except toronto, which is soon being switched), and the aircraft are in good shape. Just my .02
Living in base is very important. The longest trips I have are 4 days, and so I drive an hour and a half to the airport on day 1 (usually afternoon starts) and do 2 or 3 legs. On day 4 I usually end midday and I'm home for dinner.
I'm not saying you're gonna get the exact same thing, but I'm definitely not pulling my hair out at this job. I will of course move on as soon as a better opportunity arises because that's the goal and it's the natural progression of my career, but this isn't the torturous slave labor that people make it out to be. If you want that, go fly at a small 135 and do 14 hour days for 5 or 6 days a week making $10/hr.
The crews are good people, the hotels are nice (except toronto, which is soon being switched), and the aircraft are in good shape. Just my .02
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