Envoy Withholds CA Upgrades
05-19-2016, 05:53 PM
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If it makes you guys feel any better, ASA side of XJT has voluntary CA displacements lol. Also, we are upgrading 8/month but delaying training up to 75 days after the 60 day effective date.....so almost 6 months from award...but on the plus side, you get CA pay after the 60 days..so 2.5 months of Senior FO w/CA pay. (which will be year 9-10 pay haha), and 150% open time pickup, vacation buyback and pickup over "removed for OE" trips (paid protected)...It's possible to make 130-160 credit hours @ ~$80/hour.... $$10k-12k/month$$
05-20-2016, 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
Interesting that the company spin doctors have run for the hills with all the recent bad envoy news. Heat in the kitchen!
05-20-2016, 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
Interesting that the company spin doctors have run for the hills with all the recent bad envoy news. Heat in the kitchen!
Don't get me wrong. I think management are stupid for withholding the guys, but the wheels are far from falling off. Perhaps you can crawl back under your rock until things actually do get bad.
05-20-2016, 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by FlameNSky
Interesting how the envoy hate club comes out of the woodwork over 12 (That is one tenth of one percent of all envoy pilots) FOs that will continue to get the FO Retention Bonuses which puts them pretty close to RSV CA pay anyway, while getting to enjoy senior bidding and will get a HUGE payout after they finish upgrade training. They do miss out on 121 PIC but that is meaningless in the current HR hiring culture. I would take that deal in a heart beat!
Don't get me wrong. I think management are stupid for withholding the guys, but the wheels are far from falling off. Perhaps you can crawl back under your rock until things actually do get bad.
Don't get me wrong. I think management are stupid for withholding the guys, but the wheels are far from falling off. Perhaps you can crawl back under your rock until things actually do get bad.
I dunno, in reading EL and talking to some pilots there face-to-face, I have concluded things ARE bad. Your version of "bad" must be complete chaos. IMO, barring a successful hail mary, I think you might have to concede this point within 12 months.
05-20-2016, 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by FlameNSky
Interesting how the envoy hate club comes out of the woodwork over 12 (That is one tenth of one percent of all envoy pilots) FOs that will continue to get the FO Retention Bonuses which puts them pretty close to RSV CA pay anyway, while getting to enjoy senior bidding and will get a HUGE payout after they finish upgrade training. They do miss out on 121 PIC but that is meaningless in the current HR hiring culture. I would take that deal in a heart beat!
Don't get me wrong. I think management are stupid for withholding the guys, but the wheels are far from falling off. Perhaps you can crawl back under your rock until things actually do get bad.
Don't get me wrong. I think management are stupid for withholding the guys, but the wheels are far from falling off. Perhaps you can crawl back under your rock until things actually do get bad.
05-20-2016, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by FlameNSky
Interesting how the envoy hate club comes out of the woodwork over 12 (That is one tenth of one percent of all envoy pilots) FOs that will continue to get the FO Retention Bonuses which puts them pretty close to RSV CA pay anyway, while getting to enjoy senior bidding and will get a HUGE payout after they finish upgrade training. They do miss out on 121 PIC but that is meaningless in the current HR hiring culture. I would take that deal in a heart beat!
Don't get me wrong. I think management are stupid for withholding the guys, but the wheels are far from falling off. Perhaps you can crawl back under your rock until things actually do get bad.
Don't get me wrong. I think management are stupid for withholding the guys, but the wheels are far from falling off. Perhaps you can crawl back under your rock until things actually do get bad.
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