Mesa 3.0
09-24-2016, 07:12 PM
#921
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Originally Posted by Whatmeworry
Of course!! JO has a golden parachute when size of the crystal palace!! He's gonna do just fine regardless!! A ONE day sick out may wake them up but little else!!
09-25-2016, 04:26 AM
#922
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Position: CRJ F/O
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Junior Available
I would like to see ALPA send out something that explaines Junior AVailabilty Vs. Junior Assignment. It's not addressed very well in the contract, but my understanding is that we have Junior Availability which means that you have to be available/willing to accept the assignment.
Maybe some explanation of JA would prompt pilots to be more comfortable with telling crew tracking NO.
I realize that the union can't encourage a disruption of service but it seems like something like this would be acceptable.
Fly Safe!
Maybe some explanation of JA would prompt pilots to be more comfortable with telling crew tracking NO.
I realize that the union can't encourage a disruption of service but it seems like something like this would be acceptable.
Fly Safe!
09-25-2016, 05:54 AM
#923
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Originally Posted by airflight999
Which is sad considering if you ask any of your fellow pilots at Mesa where they want to end up next and most of them say United first, then anywhere else. There are a lot of those who even say they would never work at Delta or AA.
Consider the source.
If someone says something like this, you should immediately take the controls from them and don your oxygen mask as they may be showing symptoms of hypoxia or perhaps some toxic fumes.
09-25-2016, 06:37 AM
#924
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Originally Posted by iFlyRC
Not our problem, but at the same time it is. I need Mesa to stay in business for as long as I work there, and for my friends who's families depend on that paycheck. Mesa can go out of business and upper management still wins, they are set for life.
09-25-2016, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Duct Mon
One year ago after we voted down the completely inadequate TA, I thought we had leverage for things to get better. Certain MEC/LEC and negotiators resigned from their positions and we the pilot group collectively thought this was again a step in the right direction.
After this last conference call from the company I've begun to realize that there will not be a new contract that will be acceptable to this pilot group. Mgmt will never produce anything equal to or even close to what our peers have been paid.
And if you haven't noticed the revolving door of MEC/LEC/Negotiators you are blind. They resign from 1 position only to be re-elected into another. Either it be a temporary or permanent position. How can we expect change if the same players are playing the same incompetent game with mgmt?
Mesa will never change if you don't change the people who are making the deals. Mesa mgmt will not change and we don't control that.
I suggest you talk to your CA and FO rep in your LEC. Ask them what they are doing for you and if they share the same vision as the pilot group.
No more excuses. Either get involved or get out now. If you are just hanging around Mesa for whatever excuse you are part of the problem.
After this last conference call from the company I've begun to realize that there will not be a new contract that will be acceptable to this pilot group. Mgmt will never produce anything equal to or even close to what our peers have been paid.
And if you haven't noticed the revolving door of MEC/LEC/Negotiators you are blind. They resign from 1 position only to be re-elected into another. Either it be a temporary or permanent position. How can we expect change if the same players are playing the same incompetent game with mgmt?
Mesa will never change if you don't change the people who are making the deals. Mesa mgmt will not change and we don't control that.
I suggest you talk to your CA and FO rep in your LEC. Ask them what they are doing for you and if they share the same vision as the pilot group.
No more excuses. Either get involved or get out now. If you are just hanging around Mesa for whatever excuse you are part of the problem.
Some resigned however you elected the wrong MEC Chairman. AH is affraid of JO like a kid is affraid an alligator . JO saved AH job back at the day.......ask some senior captains about the printing job fraud of your contract at 2003.
Dejavu all over again.
09-25-2016, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Sniper66
Some resigned however you elected the wrong MEC Chairman
Dejavu all over again.
Dejavu all over again.
09-25-2016, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Whatmeworry
The 35mil loan is to pay for the engines that should have been planned/paid for thru past ta's!!! Basically, **** poor planning on the company's part!!
First, when any aircraft operator whether part 91, 135, or 121 decides to sell flight time on their airplane, they must determine the cost of operating that aircraft before a bid can be made. There is a basic operating costs that an accountant has determined to be the minimum break even price for every hour of flight on that aircraft has been calculated to the penny. Let's take our CRJ's for example. To operate the CRJ 900 for an hour would include the 4 crewmembers wages and benefits, passenger service expenses, marketing expenses, and of course maintenance expenses which include normal interval maintenance, a fund for spares, and you guessed it..... engine overhaul expenses. They even calculate the depreciation of the aircraft for every hour it flies and number of landings on the airframe. Everything is accounted for... that's how Mesa determines the amount they will bid for every flight hour with AA or United.
Here is the highlight of what i'm saying..... Mesa would bid their "break even price", plus the percentage in profits they wanted to make of each flight hour. Of course there are some fee for departure differences but regardless, this is all accounted for. If Mesa bid an operating price that did not include overhauls (which they would not have done, nobody does), that means they would be operating at a loss.
So here is the important take away:
1) Mesa blew the money they should have set aside for engine overhauls on other projects or bad management.
or
2) Mesa has always had the money and has decided to keep cash on hand and rather, finance the overhauls.
Management is using the ignorance of the employee group and using this as a selling point as to why they are unable to provide a basic industry average wage. We need to be asking where did the money go? Why are we being asked to sacrifice for their poor management?
09-25-2016, 01:26 PM
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In my opinion we no longer need to negotiate this next contract. According to the conference call and JO holding his ground we will never see a contract that will be worth anything. Why drag this out any longer? This will never prove anything different that we already know. Mesa mgmt will not negotiate a contract with their pilots that will be acceptable.
09-25-2016, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Darant
We need to get something very strait here about the cost of engine overhauls. I have heard over and over about this looming expense that is upcoming that apparently is cost prohibitive to giving us raises. Let me spell something out for those that don't understand this issue because engine overhaul cost being the company's problem is NOT something that the employee should have to bear.
First, when any aircraft operator whether part 91, 135, or 121 decides to sell flight time on their airplane, they must determine the cost of operating that aircraft before a bid can be made. There is a basic operating costs that an accountant has determined to be the minimum break even price for every hour of flight on that aircraft has been calculated to the penny. Let's take our CRJ's for example. To operate the CRJ 900 for an hour would include the 4 crewmembers wages and benefits, passenger service expenses, marketing expenses, and of course maintenance expenses which include normal interval maintenance, a fund for spares, and you guessed it..... engine overhaul expenses. They even calculate the depreciation of the aircraft for every hour it flies and number of landings on the airframe. Everything is accounted for... that's how Mesa determines the amount they will bid for every flight hour with AA or United.
Here is the highlight of what i'm saying..... Mesa would bid their "break even price", plus the percentage in profits they wanted to make of each flight hour. Of course there are some fee for departure differences but regardless, this is all accounted for. If Mesa bid an operating price that did not include overhauls (which they would not have done, nobody does), that means they would be operating at a loss.
So here is the important take away:
1) Mesa blew the money they should have set aside for engine overhauls on other projects or bad management.
or
2) Mesa has always had the money and has decided to keep cash on hand and rather, finance the overhauls.
Management is using the ignorance of the employee group and using this as a selling point as to why they are unable to provide a basic industry average wage. We need to be asking where did the money go? Why are we being asked to sacrifice for their poor management?
First, when any aircraft operator whether part 91, 135, or 121 decides to sell flight time on their airplane, they must determine the cost of operating that aircraft before a bid can be made. There is a basic operating costs that an accountant has determined to be the minimum break even price for every hour of flight on that aircraft has been calculated to the penny. Let's take our CRJ's for example. To operate the CRJ 900 for an hour would include the 4 crewmembers wages and benefits, passenger service expenses, marketing expenses, and of course maintenance expenses which include normal interval maintenance, a fund for spares, and you guessed it..... engine overhaul expenses. They even calculate the depreciation of the aircraft for every hour it flies and number of landings on the airframe. Everything is accounted for... that's how Mesa determines the amount they will bid for every flight hour with AA or United.
Here is the highlight of what i'm saying..... Mesa would bid their "break even price", plus the percentage in profits they wanted to make of each flight hour. Of course there are some fee for departure differences but regardless, this is all accounted for. If Mesa bid an operating price that did not include overhauls (which they would not have done, nobody does), that means they would be operating at a loss.
So here is the important take away:
1) Mesa blew the money they should have set aside for engine overhauls on other projects or bad management.
or
2) Mesa has always had the money and has decided to keep cash on hand and rather, finance the overhauls.
Management is using the ignorance of the employee group and using this as a selling point as to why they are unable to provide a basic industry average wage. We need to be asking where did the money go? Why are we being asked to sacrifice for their poor management?
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