stringandrudder

Then what happens to all of the flying? As it is, regionals are short staffed, no?

gojo

Okay, makes sense to me now. It was late when I read that last night. And I agree with your last sentence. At some point some regionals won't be able to compete

glassnpowder98

I think you see a couple different strategies in play already. United has a bunch of 737's on order, presumably to bring some of the regional flying back in house. They've also partnered with regionals to set up de facto flows. American has invested heavily in their wholly-owned regionals and seems to want to solidify their future staffing outlook at mainline through flows.

The increases in pay at the regionals have brought people in from corporate jobs, 135 outfits, and other places which has sort of created a temporary stop gap. But I think at the end of the day you are going to see more and more flying be brought in house when the smaller regionals or those that don't offer the best career progression begin to shrink and/or fail. It's going to be tough times for some and I feel bad for the guys who ended up becoming regional lifers through no fault of their own, only bad timing with majors not hiring for a while. However, if you can stick it out, get some luck on your side, and do your best to check as many boxes on your apps, there will be more mainline opportunities out there for you. Just my opinion, but I truly think the airline industry is going to be completely different in 10 years.

seattlepilot

If you think rah declared bankruptcy because "it couldn't pay its pilots " you have absolutely, positively no clue about what this bankruptcy is all about.



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seattlepilot

Nice predictions. Congress and faa is already working on lower limitations for pilots. Guess you didn't see this aspect of that.

You see, the problem we have in hand is because of the 1500 rule. That goes away, the scale tips in favor of airline management.

Let's see what happens to the override pays, day off flying etc. etc. when that takes place.

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Geardownflaps30

Ain't THAT the truth!!

RemoveB4Flight

Lower limitations may or may not happen. That's speculation. If you know something that we don't please pm me next weeks powerball numbers.
If you think the 1500 hour rule is the issue airline management needs to change to tip the scales in their favor you are sorely mistaken. I would say the most sever issues they face in order are: their previous (and aguably still) inadequent and embarrassingly low pay. Second, the mandatory retirement age of 65.
The best thing anyone can do for themselves is put themselves in a position to be employed at an airline that has contracted terms that seem to ensure a good future if they were to be stuck there long term.

seattlepilot

Just do a Google search on lowering limitations for certain type of pilots , especially military ones. It's there.

Age 65 actually killed it for regional management, right after the 2008 financial crisis. They were still able to here 200 hr wonder pilots and places like atp was advertising stuff like " you can fly this jet in 6 months "

It will happen sooner than later when the Raa starts lobbying the Congress. The Buffalo incident is becoming a distant past.

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glassnpowder98

That was a broad statement about all regionals. If the raises across the board continue, pilots will become too expensive. Bedford definitely had enough money in the bank to pay it's pilots when they filed. They could have lasted a bit longer, but they were bleeding money parking planes. If they came to the table 3 years early to negotiate the current contract, they easily could have afforded it and avoided bankruptcy.

seattlepilot

Wrong again but it's okay. Think whatever you want to think..

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