Horizon or not?
10-23-2016, 09:29 AM
#2
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Go to the thread called "Regional Pilot Development" a few pages back. It explains what its all about a little bit more than I would know. But its a start. From what I have heard its best to wait until they get the jets online since they will need bodies to fill seats in the 175's but someone else may be able to comment on more detail and how it will work. Find the other Horizon thread and read up on that too bc there is lots of talk about the company in that thread.
Originally Posted by Blacknight575
Any reason to come to horizon as a new hire right now? I heard rumors of a sign on bonus sometime in the future?
10-23-2016, 01:53 PM
#6
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No there isn't a signing bonus and no you should not come here.
You can make 60k your first year at other wholly owned regionals...Why sell yourself for 29k?
Come here and you will take home $650 every 2 weeks to fly an old beat up Q400 in some of the worst working conditions in the industry.
This thread has the answers you seek: http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...n-jets-72.html
You can make 60k your first year at other wholly owned regionals...Why sell yourself for 29k?
Come here and you will take home $650 every 2 weeks to fly an old beat up Q400 in some of the worst working conditions in the industry.
This thread has the answers you seek: http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...n-jets-72.html
10-23-2016, 02:52 PM
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If you go there you will fly w some great people and probably enjoy your time there. Unfortunately based on the airplane routes you will make very little compared to other regional FOs. When I was at year 2 pay I was making less money than first year pay at Skypest and Compass and my hourly rate was much higher at horizon. Keep that in mind even if they raise first year pay that is not what you will actually take home. I had a good time in the airplane and the environment was enjoyable and challenging and I don't think you can find better people even at the majors.
Good luck w the decision.
Good luck w the decision.
10-23-2016, 05:44 PM
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Hey Snacky, do you have a guesstimate as to what you think will happen once the jets are there and what it may be like for a newbie in the next 2 years? Obviously this a is a very shoot from the hip type of question but if things go as they are now...what do you see happening?
Originally Posted by snackysmores
No there isn't a signing bonus and no you should not come here.
You can make 60k your first year at other wholly owned regionals...Why sell yourself for 29k?
Come here and you will take home $650 every 2 weeks to fly an old beat up Q400 in some of the worst working conditions in the industry.
This thread has the answers you seek: http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...n-jets-72.html
You can make 60k your first year at other wholly owned regionals...Why sell yourself for 29k?
Come here and you will take home $650 every 2 weeks to fly an old beat up Q400 in some of the worst working conditions in the industry.
This thread has the answers you seek: http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...n-jets-72.html
10-23-2016, 06:21 PM
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That's a difficult question to answer.
A new hire on the Q400 will have an infinitely poorer experience than a new hire on the jet.
We also have a few variables that make predicting our future difficult:
1. We have a serious problem attracting new hires here, and Alaska refuses to acknowledge reality and work with our union to come up with a solution that brings us up to industry standard.
2. Because of the aforementioned problem, management is threatening our future flying if we cannot get new hires here to staff the Q400s when the jet comes online (e.g. "blame the pilots for our staffing problems")
3. Because we don't know whether or not our operation will be staffed, we can't predict the next two years because we don't know if Q400s will be parked or not. Management has made it clear they do not want to park ANY planes next year, however finding an additional 78 FO's in addition to normal attrition will be next to impossible unless things change.
4. No new hire in their right mind would take a Q400 class date when the jet classes are running simultaneously. This will lead to new hires saying in the interview "Give me the jet or I'm outta here."
Anyway, I see things playing out in a couple ways:
1. Alaska decides to stop being an evil greedy corporation and understands in today's market (most) new hire pilots will not tolerate living on food stamps their first year. The company and union work out an LOA that brings us up to industry standard. Next year the jets begin to arrive, staffing won't be an issue, we grow 13 airplanes and the upgrade time goes back down to the ~2 year range. Life on the Q400 will continue to be terrible as PBS is implemented and the awful schedules continually get worse. Life on the jet will be amazing and superior than the Q400 in every way imaginable.
2. Alaska continues the status quo and refuses to pay pilots more. It becomes apparent the operation cannot be staffed and Alaska issues a nuclear threat "take these concessions or we're giving the jets away to Skywest." The pilots hold their ground and Alaska gives the jets away. Then the great exodus begins as FOs realize they will never upgrade since 90% of our captains are lifers, and bail to other regionals. Horizon later dies a slow but steady death.
Come sit for 12 hours, 6 legs a day in our state-of-the-art Q400s! Never missed a cleaning cycle! (hint: because there isn't one and they've never been cleaned in years!)
A new hire on the Q400 will have an infinitely poorer experience than a new hire on the jet.
We also have a few variables that make predicting our future difficult:
1. We have a serious problem attracting new hires here, and Alaska refuses to acknowledge reality and work with our union to come up with a solution that brings us up to industry standard.
2. Because of the aforementioned problem, management is threatening our future flying if we cannot get new hires here to staff the Q400s when the jet comes online (e.g. "blame the pilots for our staffing problems")
3. Because we don't know whether or not our operation will be staffed, we can't predict the next two years because we don't know if Q400s will be parked or not. Management has made it clear they do not want to park ANY planes next year, however finding an additional 78 FO's in addition to normal attrition will be next to impossible unless things change.
4. No new hire in their right mind would take a Q400 class date when the jet classes are running simultaneously. This will lead to new hires saying in the interview "Give me the jet or I'm outta here."
Anyway, I see things playing out in a couple ways:
1. Alaska decides to stop being an evil greedy corporation and understands in today's market (most) new hire pilots will not tolerate living on food stamps their first year. The company and union work out an LOA that brings us up to industry standard. Next year the jets begin to arrive, staffing won't be an issue, we grow 13 airplanes and the upgrade time goes back down to the ~2 year range. Life on the Q400 will continue to be terrible as PBS is implemented and the awful schedules continually get worse. Life on the jet will be amazing and superior than the Q400 in every way imaginable.
2. Alaska continues the status quo and refuses to pay pilots more. It becomes apparent the operation cannot be staffed and Alaska issues a nuclear threat "take these concessions or we're giving the jets away to Skywest." The pilots hold their ground and Alaska gives the jets away. Then the great exodus begins as FOs realize they will never upgrade since 90% of our captains are lifers, and bail to other regionals. Horizon later dies a slow but steady death.
Come sit for 12 hours, 6 legs a day in our state-of-the-art Q400s! Never missed a cleaning cycle! (hint: because there isn't one and they've never been cleaned in years!)
Last edited by snackysmores; 10-23-2016 at 06:42 PM.
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