bnkangle

You should go to IAH and hand out fliers. I don't think they're aware.

Duct Mon

The two posts above are rediculous and laughable. All regionals undercut everyone else but the pilots aren't engaged in that. Pilots have nothing to do with the CPA with mainline.
Most of the pilots have been at Mesa since the last contract was ratified during bankruptcy and a recession.
Don't make assumptions and post about things you have no idea about. The majority of pilots at Mesa deserve a better contract.
Posts like yours are what keep the whipsaw in this industry going strong. Your hate for Mesa shouldn't be directed at the pilots.

SMACFUM

^ This!!! You made your choice, now live with it. You knew EXACTLY what you were getting into signing up with Mesa.

N6279P

This. All of this.

SMACFUM

First, pilots are absolutely involved in the whipsaw game. By pilots chasing the quick upgrade and shiny jets in lieu of a decent contract and pay, they are directly enabling management, and giving their tacit approval of awful pay and contracts (you signed up did you?) especially when there have been vastly better options for the last 2-3 years.

As far as most pilots being at Mesa since pre-recession/bankruptcy, I don't know the exact numbers, but I'm willing to best it isn't the vast majority. Mesa has hired a ton of pilots in the last 3 years, all of whom made an active CHOICE to work for the industry's premier bottom feeder airline. There is absolutely no simpathy for those people.

Lastly, I don't think most other pilots "hate" Mesa, especially not their pilots. It's just really stupid too see people made a conscious decision to work for the lowest paying, bottom feeding regional despite having the option to go literally anywhere else, then turn around and complain they aren't paid enough and "deserve" more.

I once had a Mesa pilot tell me that I was stupid for going to the regional I'm currently at. Quote, "Have fun flying clapped out -200s that will be going away and having a 7 year upgrade" and that I should really go to Mesa instead for the Upgradezzzzz.

Well guess what? That was 2.5 years ago, and now that same regional has a fleet of over 100 175s and an upgrade of under 2 years. I say that not to brag or rub it anyone's faces, but to reinforce the idea, that choosing to work for a well managed, generally respected company usually pays off better than chasing gimics such as bonuses and "quick upgrades"

deltajuliet

Yeah, everybody who wanted to live in base for $2 less an hour is a real undercutting prick.

N6279P

You're right. Pretty hard finding other regionals with bases in Dallas, Houston and Phoenix.

deltajuliet

I'm talking PHX, CLT, ORD, IAD, and even Hawaii. For the 2013/2014 timeframe...

IAD - Silver and Commutair weren't very attractive options. Many of those pilots actually jumped to Mesa.

ORD - True, other options here. But not a bad junior base when you got friends to stay with until you get your real base of choice.

CLT - I'm trying to remember who else was even there at the time. Did PSA have a presence at that point?

PHX - SkyWest was the only other game in town, but it was a smaller operation with an uncertain future and a long time to hold.

Hawaii - Not my cup of tea, but if you lived there, not a lot of jet operators to apply to.

Anyway, is it really such a bad goal to bring up the rear? We'd like to improve things, both here and for the betterment of the regional industry. Barring that, I think a lot of us wouldn't mind signing a contract that ultimately closes the doors due to costs. Kind of a nice one-two on our way out.

Is offline

70% of the pilots went to Mesa for the 1 year upgrade, and the only way mesa did that was undercutting everyone else. They knew the pay at Mesa and still went, but as long as you get to fly the 175.

dontcare4U

Yeah, screw them for trying to improve their work place. Glad all of you are on board to help them out.... Sad.