CO Express lands at WRONG airport
09-08-2011, 07:31 PM
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Always looking to blame someone else.
As usually happens, I'm sure there will be quite the investigation come out of this SAFETY INCIDENT (
) and MORE procedures will be put into place on a variety of levels as I'm sure was done in the past - - yet crews still manage to make a mistake at some point. I'm sure if you looked at the infamous chain of events there were many that were overlooked or not followed along the way - possibly by multiple parties - to prevent such a thing. Now you get MORE rules that will be overlooked and not followed in the future I'm sure.
USMCFLYR
As usually happens, I'm sure there will be quite the investigation come out of this SAFETY INCIDENT (
) and MORE procedures will be put into place on a variety of levels as I'm sure was done in the past - - yet crews still manage to make a mistake at some point. I'm sure if you looked at the infamous chain of events there were many that were overlooked or not followed along the way - possibly by multiple parties - to prevent such a thing. Now you get MORE rules that will be overlooked and not followed in the future I'm sure.USMCFLYR
09-08-2011, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
Cruise
Might not landing at the right airport be the PILOT's responsibility? After the ILS always ends at the runway.
GF
Might not landing at the right airport be the PILOT's responsibility? After the ILS always ends at the runway.
GF
You'd (and everyone else that thinks you're impervious to mistakes) be wise to remember that!
09-09-2011, 06:07 AM
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It is precisely because I know I, and anyone else, can make that mistake that I, and every SOP I'm familiar with, requires the approach to be monitored. Whether in an A-10, a C-5 or a GLEX, except at the home drome, the approach is there.
The NW at BRU and DL at FLL are interesting because, in both cases, the ATC strips had the wrong airport but the crews never questioned why ATC was directing them to land at the WRONG airport.
GF
It is precisely because I know I, and anyone else, can make that mistake that I, and every SOP I'm familiar with, requires the approach to be monitored. Whether in an A-10, a C-5 or a GLEX, except at the home drome, the approach is there.
The NW at BRU and DL at FLL are interesting because, in both cases, the ATC strips had the wrong airport but the crews never questioned why ATC was directing them to land at the WRONG airport.
GF
09-09-2011, 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
I've heard stories about airplanes landing at NALF El Centro when they were suppose to land at Imperial Airport.
09-09-2011, 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
Cruise
It is precisely because I know I, and anyone else, can make that mistake that I, and every SOP I'm familiar with, requires the approach to be monitored. Whether in an A-10, a C-5 or a GLEX, except at the home drome, the approach is there.
The NW at BRU and DL at FLL are interesting because, in both cases, the ATC strips had the wrong airport but the crews never questioned why ATC was directing them to land at the WRONG airport.
GF
It is precisely because I know I, and anyone else, can make that mistake that I, and every SOP I'm familiar with, requires the approach to be monitored. Whether in an A-10, a C-5 or a GLEX, except at the home drome, the approach is there.
The NW at BRU and DL at FLL are interesting because, in both cases, the ATC strips had the wrong airport but the crews never questioned why ATC was directing them to land at the WRONG airport.
GF
09-09-2011, 07:14 AM
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Even on runways with no straight in approach I'll throw what Universal calls a PVOR off the end for reference. Can't be too careful, even in a plane with outstanding field performance.
Even into your base on a beautiful easy day when you've done it a thousand times, always always back it up. Takes ten seconds to toss in a freq and spin in a course or load a GPS approach. With our friendly FAA witch hunters looking for any excuse to make statement, I can't imagine not taking the time to CYA.
Even into your base on a beautiful easy day when you've done it a thousand times, always always back it up. Takes ten seconds to toss in a freq and spin in a course or load a GPS approach. With our friendly FAA witch hunters looking for any excuse to make statement, I can't imagine not taking the time to CYA.
09-09-2011, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by DirectTo
Even on runways with no straight in approach I'll throw what Universal calls a PVOR off the end for reference. Can't be too careful, even in a plane with outstanding field performance.
Even into your base on a beautiful easy day when you've done it a thousand times, always always back it up. Takes ten seconds to toss in a freq and spin in a course or load a GPS approach. With our friendly FAA witch hunters looking for any excuse to make statement, I can't imagine not taking the time to CYA.
Even into your base on a beautiful easy day when you've done it a thousand times, always always back it up. Takes ten seconds to toss in a freq and spin in a course or load a GPS approach. With our friendly FAA witch hunters looking for any excuse to make statement, I can't imagine not taking the time to CYA.
09-09-2011, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
Even with the heavily accented English! 
Well what did those fools expect when they let loose a young pilot with less than 500 hrs in northern Japan!? They are lucky that is all the trouble I *nearly* got into
I've heard stories about airplanes landing at NALF El Centro when they were suppose to land at Imperial Airport. Last time I went into El Paso, they remarked about the close proximity of the AAF very close by so I figure that they must have cloase calls often too.
USMCFLYR
Well what did those fools expect when they let loose a young pilot with less than 500 hrs in northern Japan!? They are lucky that is all the trouble I *nearly* got into
I've heard stories about airplanes landing at NALF El Centro when they were suppose to land at Imperial Airport. Last time I went into El Paso, they remarked about the close proximity of the AAF very close by so I figure that they must have cloase calls often too.
USMCFLYR
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