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Old 08-15-2013, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by MaydayMark View Post
I'm not sure commercial pilots realize how true this is? For many years I drilled in a Naval Reserve Squadron at Andrews AFB.

Due to our proximity to FAA Headquarters several of the pilots were FAA attorneys during their "day job." It was frequently interesting to ask those guys what they were doing at work. I vividly remember one of them saying he was looking into requiring child safety seats for kids while traveling on airliners. Part of his analysis was considering that "if" families were required to buy an extra seat (to strap their child seat into), how many of them would decide to drive instead and how many of those kids might be killed in car accidents!*?

It's almost 15 years later now, we all know, the FAA never did require child safety safety seats. I guess it wasn't "cost effective"?

If the hassle/cost resulted in any significant percentage of traveling families to entrust their kids to the tender mercies of the highway system it's entirely plausible the net result would be more dead/injured kids. I'll give them credit for considering unintended consequences in this case.
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Old 08-15-2013, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by trip View Post
What Happened to UPS Flight 1354 - Analysis by Sooeet.com

Last few minutes of flight data is graphed here, two pages.
Well, I guess we can send the NTSB and everyone else home. Sooeet has analyzed the data from Flight Aware and the description provided by them completes the accident investigation. I'm certain that Flight Aware's data is always accurate.

A terrible tragedy where two fellow aviators lost their lives. Hopefully, the "real" investigation will determine a probably cause that helps prevent this type of accident from every re-occurring.

Fly safely Mates
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Old 08-15-2013, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by savall View Post
I've seen coffee shops with a better mission statement than the FAA's. I guess us up front don't count as "travelers".
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If they used a word like "occupants, that would imply that the pilots are included.
I see pilots included here.
We work so all air and space travelers arrive safely at their destinations
I remember the testing down with the atomized fuel and it was decided that it was NOT financially feasible; I thought - if it saved just one life wouldn't it be worthwhile? I guess not.
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Old 08-15-2013, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by savall View Post
I've seen coffee shops with a better mission statement than the FAA's. I guess us up front don't count as "travelers".
Our Mission:

Our continuing mission is to provide the safest, most efficient aerospace system in the world.

Our Vision:

We strive to reach the next level of safety, efficiency, environmental responsibility and global leadership. We are accountable to the American public and our stakeholders.
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Old 08-15-2013, 12:23 PM
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God Bless those courageous aviators. RIP.
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Old 08-15-2013, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by TonyC View Post
...the "promote commerce" purpose of the FAA.
I can't find a reference right now, but I'm pretty sure this isn't part of the FAA's charter/mission/vision any more. A long time ago they realized the conflict between promoting air commerce and regulating aviation and safety.
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Old 08-15-2013, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Bilsch View Post
Our Mission:

Our continuing mission is to provide the safest, most efficient aerospace system in the world.

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We strive to reach the next level of safety, efficiency, environmental responsibility and global leadership. We are accountable to the American public and our stakeholders.
Please What a crock! Your "mission" is to complicate things to the max, while paying lip service to safety and efficiency. A day without having to deal with the FAA is like a day with sunshine.
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Old 08-15-2013, 01:26 PM
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Please What a crock! Your "mission" is to complicate things to the max, while paying lip service to safety and efficiency. A day without having to deal with the FAA is like a day with sunshine.
You know - that is a crock of crap.
Whatever you feel about the BIG organization and what they may or may not do for you - the worker bees (at least in my part of the cog and others) have nothing but YOUR safety in mind.

It is no different or worse if I said that YOU had no more interest in my safety as a member of the traveling public because YOUR airline management want to skimp on fuel in bad weather, lobby against rest rules, or pay you enough to live in domicile so you don't have to commute across country.

We all know that isn't really the case and it is the same within MANY different parts of the FAA as a whole. Your attitude is a slap in the face of the many workers who spend time trying their hardest to KEEP this NAS the safest place in the world to fly.

You actually believe that Bilsch, and his co-workers out in the field keeping those NAS systems up and operating don't have your safety in mind?

This is the same stupid sentiment of hating the military because of the gov'ts actions.
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Old 08-15-2013, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Jetjok View Post
Please What a crock! Your "mission" is to complicate things to the max, while paying lip service to safety and efficiency. A day without having to deal with the FAA is like a day with sunshine.
You obviously have painted all who work for government or the FAA in general with your broad brush.

Do you know what that picture is under my handle? That is something that you probably take for granted every time you look at your Instrument panel on approach day in and day out...especially after breaking out of the clouds only to find the threshold out your windscreen.

Back on topic:

I also beleive in one level of safety. I was one who fought for that with A&P's as well as all pilots.

My thoughts are with the family, freinds, colleagues, and pilot family of those lost in this tragedy.
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Old 08-15-2013, 02:31 PM
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OK, before it gets too far off kilter, let me rephrase so as to try and not offend all you FAA workers. Whereas I'm quite sure that all of you guys, individually, are both great guys as well as having my best interests at heart, I also believe that the BIG FAA in general is basically a pimple on the ass of progress. Of course this is only my opinion, and as we all know, opinions are like, well, aholes. We all have them. My opinion is based on my dealings with the FAA medical and certification branches. Again, I'm sure that even in these two areas, the individual people are fine, but the way they've complicated my life has been nothing short of amazing.

As well, I don't think I was talking about any other organization than the FAA, but obviously Bilsch, you know better. For the record I was not talking about government workers, those in the military, postal workers, etc. Just the FAA as an organization.
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