UPS Accident - BHM
08-17-2013, 04:13 AM
#234
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Originally Posted by TonyC
Passengers, maybe, property, not so much.
The FAA's purpose is to promote commerce, and that boils down to making it possible for airlines to make money. If passengers are too scared to fly, airlines don't make money. Therefore, the FAA will do what it takes to make the public FEEL safe enough to buy tickets.
IF it's cheaper to crash a cargo jet and kill 2 pilots (life may seem precious to you and me, but it represents a cold dollar value to an actuary) than it is to comply with Part 117 Flight and Duty Time Restrictions and Rest Requirements, then it's not in the financial interest of the operator, and therefore it doesn't fit the "promote commerce" purpose of the F
If you can stomach it, take a gander at their "official" Mission, Vision, and Values here. I really like the bit about ethics.
Perhaps the calculus would change if the "little cargo plane" (that's how I heard it described on a major news network since it only carried 2 pilots) had passed through a living room instead of 20 feet above it, or into a shopping center or apartment complex. Until it does, we all know that safety is paramount only in our minds and in our actions -- to them, it's just another item on the big spreadsheet.
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The FAA's purpose is to promote commerce, and that boils down to making it possible for airlines to make money. If passengers are too scared to fly, airlines don't make money. Therefore, the FAA will do what it takes to make the public FEEL safe enough to buy tickets.
IF it's cheaper to crash a cargo jet and kill 2 pilots (life may seem precious to you and me, but it represents a cold dollar value to an actuary) than it is to comply with Part 117 Flight and Duty Time Restrictions and Rest Requirements, then it's not in the financial interest of the operator, and therefore it doesn't fit the "promote commerce" purpose of the F
If you can stomach it, take a gander at their "official" Mission, Vision, and Values here. I really like the bit about ethics.
Perhaps the calculus would change if the "little cargo plane" (that's how I heard it described on a major news network since it only carried 2 pilots) had passed through a living room instead of 20 feet above it, or into a shopping center or apartment complex. Until it does, we all know that safety is paramount only in our minds and in our actions -- to them, it's just another item on the big spreadsheet.
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One day before strapping on a big purple airplane I had an FAA guy performing a ramp check tell me he could careless if a cargo plane crashes, as long as it doesn't hit anyone's house on the way down its all good. I would be surprise if human error isn't a component in this accident.
08-17-2013, 04:22 AM
#235
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Update
On my local TV this morning, the aviation 'geniuses' were saying the UPS A300 received speed warnings shortly before the accident (it would be easy to verify this on the FDR and Voice Recorder). We all know about turbojet low speed warnings but these seemed to be high speed warnings.
Assuming these news media reports are correct?
I've never flown an Airbus ... what kind of high speed warnings are there? I've never heard any on airplanes that I've flown (don't even remember any?)
Assuming these news media reports are correct?
I've never flown an Airbus ... what kind of high speed warnings are there? I've never heard any on airplanes that I've flown (don't even remember any?)
08-17-2013, 04:22 AM
#236
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Quote: As a side note, I know a captain who was hired in 1989 who hopes to retire with less than 5000 hours. Senior and bids reserve.
I'm looking for a 121 gig and I have 4,000 TT. One of the "line drawers" on this site said I was a low time pilot.
I'm looking for a 121 gig and I have 4,000 TT. One of the "line drawers" on this site said I was a low time pilot.
08-17-2013, 05:08 AM
#238
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Originally Posted by MaydayMark
I've never flown an Airbus ... what kind of high speed warnings are there? I've never heard any on airplanes that I've flown (don't even remember any?)
08-17-2013, 05:20 AM
#239
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Over the Mountains
Originally Posted by MaydayMark
We all know about turbojet low speed warnings but these seemed to be high speed warnings.
Assuming these news media reports are correct?
I've never flown an Airbus ... what kind of high speed warnings are there? I've never heard any on airplanes that I've flown (don't even remember any?)
Assuming these news media reports are correct?
I've never flown an Airbus ... what kind of high speed warnings are there? I've never heard any on airplanes that I've flown (don't even remember any?)
On both the Airbus and Boeing families of aircraft there are high speed warnings; both EICAS and aural. Heck, even the old B-727 (All stand please and remove your hats), the clacker would let you know that you're at the high end of the envelope. It was fairly common during mountain wave activity on flights out of the west coast.
Of course, the true Freight Dogs would hear this all throughout the flight on the Saturday morning get back to base flights !
Loved that clacker !
G'Day Mates
08-17-2013, 05:55 AM
#240
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Originally Posted by MaydayMark
I've never flown an Airbus ... what kind of high speed warnings are there? I've never heard any on airplanes that I've flown (don't even remember any?)
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