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unitedflyier 03-17-2014 11:35 AM

First we hear the flight climbed to FL450 when it disappeared now the latest is it descended to 5,000ft to avoid radar detection. 9 people around 01.30 reported a low flying aircraft with landing lights on to local police.

Why are we only just hearing about this now? Can we trust any information coming from the Malaysian government? The plane cannot be at FL450 and 5,000ft at the same time.

FO was the last voice heard and expat pilots relayed a message from Vietnam after last official comm (the handoff) was heard. The relay message was broken with lots of static. Suggesting it was further away that it should have been.

If it did descent to 5,000 ft how was it detected at 08;11 so far away without refuelling?

Did it land, now we are told it could have been on the ground.

Seems every day we hear more information that just raises more questions.

LKB111 03-17-2014 11:42 AM

This also raises an interesting possibility:

Keith Ledgerwood ? Did Malaysian Airlines 370 disappear using SIA68/SQ68 (another 777)?

savall 03-17-2014 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by LKB111 (Post 1604193)

Might as well say the Singapore pilots were an accessory to whatever happened to 370. That would require a lot of coordination or just sheer luck.

If it was planned that way the MAS flight would be dependent on the Singaporean jet flying the exact flight plan with no shortcuts or weather deviations, would need to be departing exactly on time, etc.

Taped2Seat 03-17-2014 12:08 PM


Originally Posted by LKB111 (Post 1604193)

Possible but not likely? I can't see how MH370 could fly so closely to SIA68 for a relatively lengthy period of time w/o military radar detecting two blips @India or @Pakistan.

abelenky 03-17-2014 12:08 PM


Originally Posted by LKB111 (Post 1604193)

This, and many related theories seem far-fetched, and don't seem to address a big problem in my mind: the passengers.

It seems impossible to me that the passengers had no idea what was going on.
The in flight entertainment system shows the GPS position of the plane, and I believe it can only be turned off by the flight attendants
(are there controls for the Entertainment system in the cockpit?)

Even if it could be disabled, there is always the chance that a passenger looks out the window and realizes they're over the ocean when they should be over land.
A passenger could even have a GPS.
(I've had my GPS on an occasional flight and watched it for fun.)

If there was this big, nefarious plot, it must involve dealing with the passengers, or just straight-gambling that they don't notice what is going on. That's a big chance to take in a James Bond / Lex Luther style plot.

As a result, until there's some evidence that the passengers were controlled in some fashion, I don't accept the conspiracy theories, and continue to believe this is some bizarre, tragic accident.

Taped2Seat 03-17-2014 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by abelenky (Post 1604233)
[...8<...]As a result, until there's some evidence that the passengers were controlled in some fashion, I don't accept the conspiracy theories, and continue to believe this is some bizarre, tragic accident.

Would there be a scenario where the pilots could've been disabled w/o the pax's knowing about it? Considering Bill Palmer's scenario, AP flies on its own into open ocean, runs out of fuel, drops - by the time pax's realize what's going on and try using cell phones there is no comm - no cell towers in open ocean. Have to consider that most people go to sleep asap in red eye flights, and that the probability of someone with a sat phone is a possibility but how likely?

80ktsClamp 03-17-2014 01:04 PM


Originally Posted by abelenky (Post 1604233)
This, and many related theories seem far-fetched, and don't seem to address a big problem in my mind: the passengers.

It seems impossible to me that the passengers had no idea what was going on.
The in flight entertainment system shows the GPS position of the plane, and I believe it can only be turned off by the flight attendants
(are there controls for the Entertainment system in the cockpit?)

Even if it could be disabled, there is always the chance that a passenger looks out the window and realizes they're over the ocean when they should be over land.
A passenger could even have a GPS.
(I've had my GPS on an occasional flight and watched it for fun.)

If there was this big, nefarious plot, it must involve dealing with the passengers, or just straight-gambling that they don't notice what is going on. That's a big chance to take in a James Bond / Lex Luther style plot.

As a result, until there's some evidence that the passengers were controlled in some fashion, I don't accept the conspiracy theories, and continue to believe this is some bizarre, tragic accident.

If they know how to put the xponder into standby and pull the ACARS circuit breaker, then it would not be illogical to assume that they also know how to pull the IFE circuit breaker.

rickair7777 03-17-2014 01:18 PM


Originally Posted by LKB111 (Post 1604182)
The 777 can land anywhere with 4k-5k feet of flat pavement that's at least 100 feet wide. (I think it takes 7k feet to take off again, though.)

The pavement has to be thick enough to hold a widebody...big-airport runways are probably 6-10feet thick concrete.


Originally Posted by LKB111 (Post 1604182)
The aircraft alone is worth $300 million bucks. The passengers are worth untold amounts. Who knows what valuables were in cargo that were attractive to the hijackers?

So is the Mona Lisa...but who is going to buy it? There are a relatively small number of 777's in existence so there would be no way you could just re-paint it and use it.


Originally Posted by LKB111 (Post 1604182)
I do not believe it crashed.

I do at this point.


Originally Posted by LKB111 (Post 1604182)
When planes crash, they automatically send out an emergency beacon picked up by satellite.

Not if it hit the water at high speed.


Originally Posted by LKB111 (Post 1604182)
They leave massive debris fields. On water, they leave massive oil slicks that would have been detected by now.

The debris/oil slick would have dissipated in the open ocean, possibly within hours before anyone started looking.


Originally Posted by LKB111 (Post 1604182)
The only thing that baffles me about this scenario is why a demand for money hasn't been made yet. But then, maybe they need more time to get their ducks in a row on that

Because the perp(s) are fishfood.

badflaps 03-17-2014 01:22 PM

Acars and transponder were the two c/b's that had reporting capability, how many more c/b's were inop?

A306pilot 03-17-2014 01:26 PM

Does anybody have access to the smoke/ fire checklist and can supply info into which busses are lost and equipment shed if they are actioned?.


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