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jungle 03-18-2014 07:19 PM


Originally Posted by Captain Bligh (Post 1605411)
Does anyone screen new APC account applicants for credentials? For crying out loud! Some of these people are asking questions a private pilot should know. Clearly the AIM is a document that can be researched online. It's fine to lurk as a non-pilot, but the 3 page posts of nothing but elementary questions about SAR and other established procedures contribute nothing to the discussion.

Mods can anything be done here?

Yes, people go to the well for water, help them out but be cautious.

We all know the MSM is negligent and lazy, it is easier for them to ask than buckle down and do actual work.

They are far more inclined to propagate lies than the truth, it is just the nature of things, always has been. Finding the truth is very hard work and speaking it is often dangerous.

gdube94 03-18-2014 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1605195)
I think private pilots learn about this.

Medical O2 has water vapor (normal ambient humidity) so as not to dry out the patient's lungs and throat.

Aviation O2 is dry, so that it doesn't form ice in the delivery system when the regulator drops the pressure, and subsequently the temperature.

Medical O2 used in the prehospital environment is as dry as a bone. Moisture is only added for long term use in medical facilities.

Should have remembered that fact was in my private curriculum. It was a couple of decades ago. However, as I said earlier, I stand corrected on that point.

savall 03-18-2014 07:57 PM


Originally Posted by Thedude (Post 1605335)
Not to mention the new members here that are trolling for info.
Reporter style.

Yea, seriously. I'm all for new thoughts and members, but I'm not trying to hear joe shmo's opinion because he took a few introductory courses last week. I'm quite well versed in the airplane, but I'm not trying to pretend I know what happened.

If seasoned pilots ATP/FI/MIL/etc, and the proper investigative authorities can't figure this out yet, I doubt some dude on google can.

MD11Fr8Dog 03-18-2014 08:26 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1605217)
If you know exactly where he's supposed to be and when.

If it's clear out.

If you acquire the correct set of blinky lights from miles away.

If he's not late.

If you can get catch up without resorting to afterburners.


Or perhaps you've done subsonic night VFR intercepts without GCI or radar?


Not saying it absolutely wouldn't work but the odds are low enough that nobody would think it was a good plan.

Or if you're tuning and listening to the radios and hear an estimate to a waypoint and set up an RTA to that point for the other flight's ETA...

Yoda2 03-18-2014 08:27 PM

Google probably knows where it is; they know most everything else about us... They're probably just waiting for a reward to be posted...

rickair7777 03-18-2014 09:13 PM


Originally Posted by Captain Bligh (Post 1605411)
Does anyone screen new APC account applicants for credentials? For crying out loud! Some of these people are asking questions a private pilot should know. Clearly the AIM is a document that can be researched online. It's fine to lurk as a non-pilot, but the 3 page posts of nothing but elementary questions about SAR and other established procedures contribute nothing to the discussion.

Mods can anything be done here?

Generally everyone's given the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. If someone demonstrates "twelve-ish" behavior, or constantly interjects themselves into discussions well out of their depth we can restrict them to the noob forums.

But this thing we're talking about here...I don't mind if we provide some perspective to John Q, PPLs, or even reporters. They'll probably get better info here than than on tinfoilforums.com

savall 03-18-2014 09:17 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1605473)
they'll probably get better info here than than on tinfoilforums.com

I can't believe this isn't a real page. I kind of wish it were.

JJ21 03-18-2014 10:21 PM

With regard to the “secondary flight plan” programmed into the box 12 minutes before contact was loss:

What if the crew updated the “secondary flight plan” flight plan from their t/o airport as their return airport for an emergency to a new alternate emergency airport for the over open ocean water portion of their flight route.

If you look at a map of Malaysia (or even go to Malaysia Airlines own website) you will see that the best suitable alternate for the over the water portion of the flight was turning to the left 90 degrees not returning to the t/o airport. In the northern portion of Malaysia there are several airports that are suitable for a triple7 to land, are serviced by Malaysia Airline and are closer then then t/o airport or Vietnam (obviously until they got closer to Vietnam).

As for the Waypoints that the aircraft supposedly flew too between the water peninsula of Malaysia and Indonesia...were these waypoints the start of a STAR into one of the northern emergency airports they selected? Or were these waypoints programmed into the secondary flight plane for descent purposes only for an emergency landing from FL350 down to say the STAR waypoint altitude, safe altitude or approach altitude.

Meaning the crew was just thinking ahead for when they coasted out over the open ocean in the middle of the night.

savall 03-18-2014 10:27 PM


Originally Posted by JJ21 (Post 1605487)
With regard to the “secondary flight plan” programmed into the box 12 minutes before contact was loss:

What if the crew updated the “secondary flight plan” flight plan from their t/o airport as their return airport for an emergency to a new alternate emergency airport for the over open ocean water portion of their flight route.

If I'm in an emergency situation I'm not going to be spending time programming a new route and I doubt there are many guys who would opt to do this...

Mazster 03-18-2014 10:38 PM

Round two:
Is it conceivable on a 777 to have an electrical fire that produces enough smoke to take out the crew, and terminates power to the transponders, ACARS and presumably the communications transceivers without interrupting power to the A/P and other systems required to keep the A/C in the air? (FYI, not a reporter)


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