3 Dead, 2 Injured - Frederick, MD
10-24-2014, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by mspano85
ATC messed up bad. She cleared the Cirrus after he told her he couldn't see the 3rd helo.
I've worked with her a lot when I've flown. She's always on the ball. I think she just got complacent....
I've worked with her a lot when I've flown. She's always on the ball. I think she just got complacent....
Why do you say "ATC messed up" - do you have inside information? It is not clear to me what happened, and any number of scenarios (cirrus below TPA or heli at TPA) seem to be consistent with the incident.
I am cleared to land all the time without traffic in sight, usually with instructions (cleared to land on runway, heli traffic will remain north of associated taxiway).
It is a stark reminder that delta provides sequencing, NOT separation services.
10-24-2014, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by cardiomd
Sorry to hear about the tragedy.
Why do you say "ATC messed up" - do you have inside information? It is not clear to me what happened, and any number of scenarios (cirrus below TPA or heli at TPA) seem to be consistent with the incident.
I am cleared to land all the time without traffic in sight, usually with instructions (cleared to land on runway, heli traffic will remain north of associated taxiway).
It is a stark reminder that delta provides sequencing, NOT separation services.
Why do you say "ATC messed up" - do you have inside information? It is not clear to me what happened, and any number of scenarios (cirrus below TPA or heli at TPA) seem to be consistent with the incident.
I am cleared to land all the time without traffic in sight, usually with instructions (cleared to land on runway, heli traffic will remain north of associated taxiway).
It is a stark reminder that delta provides sequencing, NOT separation services.
10-24-2014, 05:58 PM
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Today we went out and celebrated Chris's Life. It was a really nice gathering.
I rescind my statement about ATC. After talking with JP and Keith today, they said She did everything right.
From what I was able to gather, the accident happened when the Cirrus was turning from downwind to base. Altitude was unknown. The Cirrus clipped the top of the R44 in the middle of the turn. They ruled out wind as a factor.
An admission from the group, and other pilots was that Chris was the best at autorotations. If there was any way to safely put it in the ground, he would have done it. Unfortunately, it was one of those helpless moments.
We have a very dangerous profession and hobby. Be safe every one.
I rescind my statement about ATC. After talking with JP and Keith today, they said She did everything right.
From what I was able to gather, the accident happened when the Cirrus was turning from downwind to base. Altitude was unknown. The Cirrus clipped the top of the R44 in the middle of the turn. They ruled out wind as a factor.
An admission from the group, and other pilots was that Chris was the best at autorotations. If there was any way to safely put it in the ground, he would have done it. Unfortunately, it was one of those helpless moments.
We have a very dangerous profession and hobby. Be safe every one.
10-24-2014, 07:26 PM
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Amazing that the BRS deployed and worked at that altitude, but a little reading revealed it's worked down to around 400' and can go even lower. Unfortunately a low wing aircraft hitting the top of something doesn't look good.
Although it may have nothing to do with this, it's amazing how many pilots I fly with just assume there is nothing in their way and turn without either dipping and looking, or lifting and looking. I try to tell them that one time, some day, you'll do that (lift/dip before the turn) and there will be an aircraft right there. It's happened to me.
Although it may have nothing to do with this, it's amazing how many pilots I fly with just assume there is nothing in their way and turn without either dipping and looking, or lifting and looking. I try to tell them that one time, some day, you'll do that (lift/dip before the turn) and there will be an aircraft right there. It's happened to me.
10-24-2014, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by mspano85
Today we went out and celebrated Chris's Life. It was a really nice gathering.
I rescind my statement about ATC. After talking with JP and Keith today, they said She did everything right.
From what I was able to gather, the accident happened when the Cirrus was turning from downwind to base. Altitude was unknown. The Cirrus clipped the top of the R44 in the middle of the turn. They ruled out wind as a factor.
An admission from the group, and other pilots was that Chris was the best at autorotations. If there was any way to safely put it in the ground, he would have done it. Unfortunately, it was one of those helpless moments.
We have a very dangerous profession and hobby. Be safe every one.
I rescind my statement about ATC. After talking with JP and Keith today, they said She did everything right.
From what I was able to gather, the accident happened when the Cirrus was turning from downwind to base. Altitude was unknown. The Cirrus clipped the top of the R44 in the middle of the turn. They ruled out wind as a factor.
An admission from the group, and other pilots was that Chris was the best at autorotations. If there was any way to safely put it in the ground, he would have done it. Unfortunately, it was one of those helpless moments.
We have a very dangerous profession and hobby. Be safe every one.
The reality of this work is almost all of us will lose friends/coworkers to it. I have lost 4 friends and 7coworkers. It sucks. But as you have done, we remember and celebrate them. And we move on. We must: they wouldn't want us to do otherwise.
My sincerest condolences to you and their loved ones.
10-25-2014, 05:24 PM
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Thank you, Everyone for the kind words. I understand this is kind of thing that comes with the territory in our profession. Though, it doesn't make it easier.
It could be any of us tomorrow so don't take your time for granted and try to appreciate and enjoy every moment you can, especially with others.
Be the best and most responsible pilots we can be.
It could be any of us tomorrow so don't take your time for granted and try to appreciate and enjoy every moment you can, especially with others.
Be the best and most responsible pilots we can be.
10-25-2014, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
Although it may have nothing to do with this, it's amazing how many pilots I fly with just assume there is nothing in their way and turn without either dipping and looking, or lifting and looking. I try to tell them that one time, some day, you'll do that (lift/dip before the turn) and there will be an aircraft right there. It's happened to me.
Thank you
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