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Old 04-24-2015, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke View Post
The guy talking during the video certainly sounds like an idiot.

"He's gonna crash."
I wasn't there, and I'd like to think I wouldn't say that out loud, but I sure as hell would've been thinking it if I had been there.
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Old 04-24-2015, 02:41 PM
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Bob Hoover did it once in his Mustang, at Reno!

Took about 4" off his props, but he pulled up, put the gear down, and landed. All part of the show!

Yeah, but that was intentional.
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Old 04-24-2015, 02:54 PM
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In a way, it is understandable that he went around. We are trained if there is an issue with the landing, go missed. Since he (presumably) did not identify the gear horn, his first thought when the noise started was probably not "I forgot the gear." He may have had no idea what was making the noise and acting on training, pushed the throttles forward with no clue of what happened.
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This happened to a pilot I know, in a Dutchess, on his MEI checkride, with an examiner. They went around, cycled the gear, and landed.....and this was in Denver on a warm day. They even ground the bottom of the steps flat!
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Old 04-24-2015, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyJSH View Post
In a way, it is understandable that he went around. We are trained if there is an issue with the landing, go missed. Since he (presumably) did not identify the gear horn, his first thought when the noise started was probably not "I forgot the gear." He may have had no idea what was making the noise and acting on training, pushed the throttles forward with no clue of what happened.
He might have made himself oblivious to a gear warning, but I very seriously doubt he missed the sound of metal scraping on the ground; it's why he powered up and went. I guarantee that he was very aware he'd just touched down without the gear out, and where a prop strike may have occurred, there would have been absolutely no doubt. Look at the prop behavior after he gets airborne again, as well as his handling of the aircraft.

He's eighty five years old and has decided to pack it in.
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the plane’s pilot, Chris Georgaklis, 85, managed to fly 100 miles to Fort Lauderdale after the incident and landed safely.Mr Georgaklis is said to have flown for almost 50 years and was accompanied on the trip by his dog, Buddy.



Interesting that his flaps were down, but not his gear.



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He has decided to pack it in.
If I was 85, had just survived a self-imposed situation like that, and was staring a six figure repair bill in the face I think I would call it quits myself! The guy is lucky he didn't give himself a heart attack.

Here is a news report with pilot interview...

http://www.wpbf.com/news/exclusive-p...-gear/32514186

What's wrong with this statement...

Georgaklis said he was flying to visit friends on the Treasure Coast, and when he attempted to land his plane, something went wrong. He said just one thing went through his mind.

"I said, 'We've got to get out of here,'" Georgaklis said.

Georgaklis said he's been flying for almost 50 years, and he hopped in his Aerostar for a routine flight to Aero Acres in Fort Pierce with his dog, Buddy, on April 11.

Georgaklis said it's an annual trip, but he approached the runway too fast.

"The gear was down, and I saw that I was going a little faster than I liked, because you have to stop quickly," Georgaklis said.

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Old 04-24-2015, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by SayAlt View Post
Yeah, but that was intentional.
That's what I would have said!
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"the plane’s pilot, Chris Georgaklis, 85, managed to fly 100 miles to Fort Lauderdale after the incident"

In addition to the obvious zero for checklist discipline, I think we need to go into negative numbers to grade judgment. Holy crap!!
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"The gear was down and I saw I was going faster than I liked..."
Ummmm....
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Old 04-24-2015, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke View Post
He might have made himself oblivious to a gear warning, but I very seriously doubt he missed the sound of metal scraping on the ground; it's why he powered up and went. I guarantee that he was very aware he'd just touched down without the gear out, and where a prop strike may have occurred, there would have been absolutely no doubt. Look at the prop behavior after he gets airborne again, as well as his handling of the aircraft.

He's eighty five years old and has decided to pack it in.
I believe he heard a noise... did he realize it was a prop strike? I am not nearly as sure as you seem to be.

I am not excusing or blessing his decision, but I can envision a pilot powering up at the first strange (bad) noise he heard.
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