Shoreham Air Show Crash
08-22-2015, 02:40 PM
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Shoreham Air Show Crash
"A Hawker Hunter classic jet fighter has crashed while taking part in the Shoreham Air Show in West Sussex."
Aircraft failed to complete a loop and impacted the A27. Seven reported dead and others injured.
Observer interview:
Shoreham Airshow crash: 'Plane was too low, then huge explosion' - BBC News
Video of the maneuver (impact edited out):
Amateur video shows Shoreham Air Show crash - BBC News
Aircraft failed to complete a loop and impacted the A27. Seven reported dead and others injured.
Observer interview:
Shoreham Airshow crash: 'Plane was too low, then huge explosion' - BBC News
Video of the maneuver (impact edited out):
Amateur video shows Shoreham Air Show crash - BBC News
08-22-2015, 05:12 PM
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08-24-2015, 04:42 PM
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Why is an Airbus pilot for a major airline flying an fighter jet for an airshow and doing loops/maneuvers that are not practiced in his normal day job? What's his recent experience doing this kind of maneuvering in a fighter jet? Being ex-military is fine and all, but in this kind of show/display you have to be on top of your game. It is risky.
08-24-2015, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Why is an Airbus pilot for a major airline flying an fighter jet for an airshow and doing loops/maneuvers that are not practiced in his normal day job? What's his recent experience doing this kind of maneuvering in a fighter jet? Being ex-military is fine and all, but in this kind of show/display you have to be on top of your game. It is risky.
Probably best to wait for some of official word before blaming the pilot's competency.
All that said, I think airshow performance boxes should be setup so somebody coming out of a loop doesn't have spectators under him or close downrange of his vector, much less people who aren't even attending the show.
08-24-2015, 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
All that said, I think airshow performance boxes should be setup so somebody coming out of a loop doesn't have spectators under him or close downrange of his vector, much less people who aren't even attending the show.
I would guess (but don't know) they are in the UK too. It wouldn't be the first time a performer attempted an unplanned maneuver.
08-25-2015, 05:05 AM
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From a map I saw, he crashed slightly off-centerline of the runway, slighly off-axis, maybe a half mile from the threshold, so I think he was in the box.
The problem in the UK is airports don't have the luxury of lots of real estate. The motorway was close to/inside the box.
It appeared he had some wing rock (an indication of high AoA in many fighters) when he was about 70 degrees nose-low. This typically causes heading to be random on exit of the maneuver.
It would suggest he recognized he had a problem, and was desperately trying to fix it.
Very tragic. But not caused by being an Airbus pilot. Loops are normally not very difficult.
The problem in the UK is airports don't have the luxury of lots of real estate. The motorway was close to/inside the box.
It appeared he had some wing rock (an indication of high AoA in many fighters) when he was about 70 degrees nose-low. This typically causes heading to be random on exit of the maneuver.
It would suggest he recognized he had a problem, and was desperately trying to fix it.
Very tragic. But not caused by being an Airbus pilot. Loops are normally not very difficult.
08-25-2015, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by HuggyU2
In the US, they are.
I would guess (but don't know) they are in the UK too. It wouldn't be the first time a performer attempted an unplanned maneuver.
I would guess (but don't know) they are in the UK too. It wouldn't be the first time a performer attempted an unplanned maneuver.
This article attempts to clarify but is a really poor article:
What safety rules govern air shows? - BBC News
Loops may not be "difficult" but things can go wrong. Brings back memories of the Idaho 2003 crash from a QFE error in a split-S. I believe he doesn't fly any more - $25 million dollar mistake.
08-25-2015, 12:11 PM
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Not a Qfe issue...math in public issue.
And, he went on to be a Squadron commander.
As to this case: it doesn't appear to be an unplanned "show-boating" maneuver.
It was a simple maneuver, gone wrong. One could argue that landing is more difficult.
Doesn't mean we should prohibit landings.
And, he went on to be a Squadron commander.
As to this case: it doesn't appear to be an unplanned "show-boating" maneuver.
It was a simple maneuver, gone wrong. One could argue that landing is more difficult.
Doesn't mean we should prohibit landings.
08-25-2015, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by HuggyU2
In the US, they are.
I would guess (but don't know) they are in the UK too. It wouldn't be the first time a performer attempted an unplanned maneuver.
I would guess (but don't know) they are in the UK too. It wouldn't be the first time a performer attempted an unplanned maneuver.
08-25-2015, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer
Not a Qfe issue...math in public issue.
And, he went on to be a Squadron commander.
And, he went on to be a Squadron commander.
I'm not sure what "math in public" means - do you mean he just added incorrectly? I'm surprised somebody would be promoted after that kind of an error.
I'd appreciate any links if public but if info not released don't worry about it.
Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer
As to this case: it doesn't appear to be an unplanned "show-boating" maneuver.
It was a simple maneuver, gone wrong. One could argue that landing is more difficult.
Doesn't mean we should prohibit landings.
It was a simple maneuver, gone wrong. One could argue that landing is more difficult.
Doesn't mean we should prohibit landings.
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