High Failure Rates - Atlas / Southern
05-09-2019, 06:42 PM
#11
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Not That I Saw.....
Originally Posted by Whale Driver
How exactly are we supposed to figure this out? Atlas kicked the pilot group out of the interview process, which was excellent BTW. HR hires the pilots and that begs the question, What do they know about hiring pilots? No logbook review, no sim ride, and judging from recent history - no PRIA review either.
05-09-2019, 06:56 PM
#12
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Originally Posted by climbvia
I interviewed with two recently retired Captains and Check Airmen. The technical interview was fairly comprehensive, as was the logbook review, HR portion, and company overview. They asked probing questions and followed-up in a thoughtful way. Several did not receive CJOs. I don't often post. But, this is wrong information.
05-09-2019, 07:19 PM
#13
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Originally Posted by climbvia
I interviewed with two recently retired Captains and Check Airmen. The technical interview was fairly comprehensive, as was the logbook review, HR portion, and company overview. They asked probing questions and followed-up in a thoughtful way. Several did not receive CJOs. I don't often post. But, this is wrong information.
05-10-2019, 06:26 AM
#14
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Retired Capts and/or current managers...lol...check airmen 
...are different than the union pilots we used to have on the hiring board.
It's TRUE, we have a "Hiring Committee" still. But they are no longer invited to sit on the interview board.
...are different than the union pilots we used to have on the hiring board.
It's TRUE, we have a "Hiring Committee" still. But they are no longer invited to sit on the interview board.
05-10-2019, 07:18 AM
#15
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Originally Posted by itsjustajob
Anyone considering Atlas/Southern had better understand that there is enormous jeopardy that your training will NOT be successful.
Atlas/Southern rely on self study methods, so the burden is entirely on the candidate to pass or at least self-identify their own training deficiencies... You don't know what you don't know, making this nearly impossible absent constant evaluation by a qualified instructor or substantial experience to draw upon as you progress.
The bigger message needs to be that Atlas does not have an AQP program and still relies on 1950’s style training which relies upon and demands that a candidate have a high level of proficiency in type or an equivalent aircraft.
The staggering increase in Busts and no recommends and even terminations of incoming new-hires is revealing the inadequacy of the training program.
It's not that the instructors or new-hires aren't trying, it's that the system currently in use is a set-up for failure for those lacking 5,000+ hours of 121 international wide-body experience.
Luck simply will not cut it, experience is the surest pathway forward for anyone taking on this type of training scenario.
Atlas/Southern rely on self study methods, so the burden is entirely on the candidate to pass or at least self-identify their own training deficiencies... You don't know what you don't know, making this nearly impossible absent constant evaluation by a qualified instructor or substantial experience to draw upon as you progress.
The bigger message needs to be that Atlas does not have an AQP program and still relies on 1950’s style training which relies upon and demands that a candidate have a high level of proficiency in type or an equivalent aircraft.
The staggering increase in Busts and no recommends and even terminations of incoming new-hires is revealing the inadequacy of the training program.
It's not that the instructors or new-hires aren't trying, it's that the system currently in use is a set-up for failure for those lacking 5,000+ hours of 121 international wide-body experience.
Luck simply will not cut it, experience is the surest pathway forward for anyone taking on this type of training scenario.
05-10-2019, 05:44 PM
#18
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Joined APC: Sep 2013
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It was the same way at World back in the day. The ACMI’s don’t have the budget for AQP and spoon-fed “Train to Profiency.” Let alone 50-hr OE’s.
Instead it’s “Here’s a box of books.” Learn them all (“What’s a Learning Objective?”) See you on your checkride in a month. Good luck.
6 sims only.
Applicant beware.
Instead it’s “Here’s a box of books.” Learn them all (“What’s a Learning Objective?”) See you on your checkride in a month. Good luck.
6 sims only.
Applicant beware.
05-10-2019, 07:44 PM
#20
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Position: 757 FO
Posts: 87
Originally Posted by WacoQCF
Atlas doesn’t do logbook reviews...that post was likely faked. Nice try. High fail rates are here. Multiple per class now is routine, some not even being recommended for the Checkride.
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