Merged CAL/UAL seniority lists
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Merged CAL/UAL seniority lists
For information only, here is a merged seniority list for a Date of Hire integration of the UAL and CAL lists. This is for information only, please read the disclaimer on the file download.
http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/o...Itemid,85.html
We're looking for the AMR, NWA, and DAL Lists, please PM me if you'd like to submit your seniority list. All lists are de-identified [before being published here] with names and employee numbers removed.
http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/o...Itemid,85.html
We're looking for the AMR, NWA, and DAL Lists, please PM me if you'd like to submit your seniority list. All lists are de-identified [before being published here] with names and employee numbers removed.
Last edited by HSLD; 07-02-2006 at 09:50 AM.
#2
Thanks
Thanks for the work. No way! "Career expectation" is way too disparate between the 2 groups to think DOH will work. As a former AAA guy, I know this from the AWA merger.
I flew 4 legs to get home yesterday and heard from a lot of po'd passengers. This stands to be the worst Summer ever for the American flying public. I expect the congressional airline hearings from '01 to continue before the "platinum parachute merger machine" runs smoothly again.... I hope. We owe the pax better than this.
I flew 4 legs to get home yesterday and heard from a lot of po'd passengers. This stands to be the worst Summer ever for the American flying public. I expect the congressional airline hearings from '01 to continue before the "platinum parachute merger machine" runs smoothly again.... I hope. We owe the pax better than this.
#4
Originally Posted by HSLD
For information only, here is a merged seniority list for a Date of Hire integration of the UAL and CAL lists. This is for information only, please read the disclaimer on the file download.
http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/o...Itemid,85.html
We're looking for the AMR, NWA, and DAL Lists, please PM me if you'd like to submit your seniority list. All lists are de-identified [before being published here] with names and employee numbers removed.
http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/o...Itemid,85.html
We're looking for the AMR, NWA, and DAL Lists, please PM me if you'd like to submit your seniority list. All lists are de-identified [before being published here] with names and employee numbers removed.
Did I miss something? Is this a real possibility?
#5
A merger will not be a simple DOH mix of pilots. There are protections in an ALPA merger. For example: a UAL pilot that is furloughed could be 10 years senior to a CAL pilot that is not furloughed. The CAL pilot would not lose his job or be furloughed. He is protected. You'll have to dig into the ALPA merger stuff. Bring your lawyer to help you interpret it.
#6
Originally Posted by fecav8r
Did I miss something? Is this a real possibility?
This is simply an exercise in age and DOH distribution at each airline.
#7
Originally Posted by Ottopilot
A merger will not be a simple DOH mix of pilots. There are protections in an ALPA merger. For example: a UAL pilot that is furloughed could be 10 years senior to a CAL pilot that is not furloughed. The CAL pilot would not lose his job or be furloughed. He is protected. You'll have to dig into the ALPA merger stuff. Bring your lawyer to help you interpret it.
As for ALPA, don't count on them for any legal, financial or political support whatsoever. You and your pilot group will be on your own, trust me. I have first-hand experience with that.
#8
Originally Posted by B757200ER
As for ALPA, don't count on them for any legal, financial or political support whatsoever. You and your pilot group will be on your own, trust me. I have first-hand experience with that.
The Furloughed USAir Pilots with Dates of Hire back to 1987....(in my opinion)will not be Senior to an America WEST Capt with a 1989 Date of hire.
Almost all ALPA to ALPA mergers go to a nuetral Arbitrators.......Both sides present their cases to the Arbitrator and make their arguments and present their merger formulas. The Nuetral Arbitrator makes a binding decision on how the merger integration goes...............it becomes LAW.
Then both former groups sit in the cockpits of merged airframes and argue/B*tch for the rest of their careers on how they each got Scr**ed by the other side. Often there are some pretty hard feelings that only go away with retirement. Been down that road.....................
If a NON-ALPA carrier merges with a ALPA represented carrier, then ALPA National will provide all the Legal assistance needed.
TWA and AMR is one example where that did not really happen. There are many stories as to why. I do not know myself as I was not involved. I was told it was due to the fact that with TWA in Bankruptcy, the TWA Pilots had to make a choice. Take their chances with the company's survival on it's own..........or take a agree to void their contracts SCOPE/Successorship clause and take their chances with APA doing a fair integration.
Fair is in the eyes of the beholder. I have no dog in that fight, but Almost all of the Former TWA pilots are furloughed or close to it.
Last edited by RedeyeAV8r; 07-02-2006 at 08:14 PM.
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