XJ 9E 9L SLI Thread
02-10-2011, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by donk74
Hey Scott Thanks for looking out for YOUR fellow Pinnacle Pilots (Sarcasm)!
It still amazes me how crappy pilots can be toward one another.
02-10-2011, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Bartok
Ahhh, so not about XJ furloughs getting a fair deal, thank you.
02-11-2011, 03:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Bartok
Ahhh, so not about XJ furloughs getting a fair deal, thank you.
If they are placed above ALL hires post 7/1 they now re-appear into the seniority list with a job as well as increased bidding power (no longer the bottom of the list) as well as a larger network to bid across. They are also no longer in nearly as much danger of being furloughed as there are now a good amount of pilots below them.
Who knows how this will all shake out but to say anyone is sticking it to the furloughs is a bit of a stretch.
02-11-2011, 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Bartok
Ahhh, so not about XJ furloughs getting a fair deal, thank you.
02-11-2011, 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by donk74
I think the Mesaba Furloughs are getting more than a fair deal, infact I think it will come at the expense of the bottom 100 at pinnacle (DOHs before 7/1/2010) with regards to SLI... While I agree with Mesaba pilots being offered a job at 9E while they were furloughed, but they should not be placed ahead of any active 9E pilot hired before 7/1/2010 during SLI. I feel that SE went out of his way to please ALPA National at the expense of his junior pilots.
If they were going to continue to have people on furlough I could see your argument, but the fact that we need pilots desperately negates that line of thought.
This is an equal merger and the XJ furloughs deserve to have their original XJ DOH considered in any SLI arrangement.
I don't think Scott took anyones side over another, it was the right thing to do.
02-11-2011, 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Bartok
I don't agree, being furloughed or not should have no bearing on how someone is placed on a seniority list, especially in our case where none are going to remained furloughed.
If they were going to continue to have people on furlough I could see your argument, but the fact that we need pilots desperately negates that line of thought.
This is an equal merger and the XJ furloughs deserve to have their original XJ DOH considered in any SLI arrangement.
I don't think Scott took anyones side over another, it was the right thing to do.
If they were going to continue to have people on furlough I could see your argument, but the fact that we need pilots desperately negates that line of thought.
This is an equal merger and the XJ furloughs deserve to have their original XJ DOH considered in any SLI arrangement.
I don't think Scott took anyones side over another, it was the right thing to do.
02-11-2011, 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by donk74
So you think that Mesaba furloughs should be placed ahead of Active Pinnacle pilots during SLI? Why? How is that fair to the active Pinnacle Pilots? Yes, this affects me personally, I was 50 from the bottom for years until the hiring started again.... I think we are just going to disageree on this issue as I dont believe you have a vested dog in the fight.
Last I looked, all of the XJ furloughs were still on the list.
They should be integrated as such.
And how is that unfair to 9E?
You should reap the benefits of your DOH at any company.
02-11-2011, 07:22 AM
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Now I could be completely misunderstanding this process, but I don't think any furlough ends up above any active pilot. Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn't the SLI look something like this:
1. All active pilots on 07/01/10 integrated with whatever method is chosen
2. All furloughed pilots on 07/01/10
3. All pilots hired after 07/01/10 based strictly on DOH
Of course, seeing as how this process is only just getting started, we could all be wrong.
1. All active pilots on 07/01/10 integrated with whatever method is chosen
2. All furloughed pilots on 07/01/10
3. All pilots hired after 07/01/10 based strictly on DOH
Of course, seeing as how this process is only just getting started, we could all be wrong.
02-11-2011, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by SrfNFly227
Now I could be completely misunderstanding this process, but I don't think any furlough ends up above any active pilot. Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn't the SLI look something like this:
1. All active pilots on 07/01/10 integrated with whatever method is chosen
2. All furloughed pilots on 07/01/10
3. All pilots hired after 07/01/10 based strictly on DOH
Of course, seeing as how this process is only just getting started, we could all be wrong.
1. All active pilots on 07/01/10 integrated with whatever method is chosen
2. All furloughed pilots on 07/01/10
3. All pilots hired after 07/01/10 based strictly on DOH
Of course, seeing as how this process is only just getting started, we could all be wrong.
(how the 3 lists are integrated is being negotiated between the 3 SLI committees now)
Everyone hired after 7-01-2010 is strictly DOH
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