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#131
Self inflicted amnesia, or pure disregard for 9/11, recession/economy debacle, high fuel prices, BK, recovery, AA not hiring, or miss management, which one caused the overstaffing?
If AA is hiring and NO FLOW, you nay sayers got a point that the flow does not work. But, if AA is hiring with flood gates open & approx +50% of those AA newhires are from ENY property month after month (yr after yr, when AA is hiring) then you folks are deceptively ignorant, or just egotistical. Nobody likes to be wrong.
"The flow doesn't work, the flow doesn't work." Hahah, and now that it's working, "the flow will stop, the flow will stop."
Haha. Ok. Yes when AA stops hiring and reduces hiring projections, the flow will stop. As hiring demands and retirements continue to increase, so will the "Flow" demands.
COMMON SENSE.
#132
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Joined APC: Feb 2016
Posts: 290
Now this is whinning. Why was ENY OVERSTUFFED?
Self inflicted amnesia, or pure disregard for 9/11, recession/economy debacle, high fuel prices, BK, recovery, AA not hiring, or miss management, which one caused the overstaffing?
If AA is hiring and NO FLOW, you nay sayers got a point that the flow does not work. But, if AA is hiring with flood gates open & approx +50% of those AA newhires are from ENY property month after month (yr after yr, when AA is hiring) then you folks are deceptively ignorant, or just egotistical. Nobody likes to be wrong.
"The flow doesn't work, the flow doesn't work." Hahah, and now that it's working, "the flow will stop, the flow will stop."
Haha. Ok. Yes when AA stops hiring and reduces hiring projections, the flow will stop. As hiring demands and retirements continue to increase, so will the "Flow" demands.
COMMON SENSE.
Self inflicted amnesia, or pure disregard for 9/11, recession/economy debacle, high fuel prices, BK, recovery, AA not hiring, or miss management, which one caused the overstaffing?
If AA is hiring and NO FLOW, you nay sayers got a point that the flow does not work. But, if AA is hiring with flood gates open & approx +50% of those AA newhires are from ENY property month after month (yr after yr, when AA is hiring) then you folks are deceptively ignorant, or just egotistical. Nobody likes to be wrong.
"The flow doesn't work, the flow doesn't work." Hahah, and now that it's working, "the flow will stop, the flow will stop."
Haha. Ok. Yes when AA stops hiring and reduces hiring projections, the flow will stop. As hiring demands and retirements continue to increase, so will the "Flow" demands.
COMMON SENSE.
Let's keep these common sense posts coming. By and large, over 90% of the Envoy pilot group would agree with you. The 10% are here and trying everything they can to see that Envoy doesn't bring enough new hires or making people believe the flow is a fantasy.
#133
I believe it still is. Excercise caution always. Even on public forum.
It's not your fault, info like this are not discussed in training or taught. It IS known common practice post 9/11 not to post or talk about location of know Crew Hotels, for many reasons, including those reasons posted by LakeHouse. Just like the military when away overseas. Many groups are looking to disrupt our nation Air transportation system any way they can. Online forums are a hotbed of information.
Have a great one bud. Don't stress or worry abt it. Now u know. Welcome aboard though.
#134
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Joined APC: Jul 2015
Posts: 667
Very insightful post. I don't believe there is any amount of common sense you could put out here that these naysayers would ever agree with. It's always doom and gloom.
Let's keep these common sense posts coming. By and large, over 90% of the Envoy pilot group would agree with you. The 10% are here and trying everything they can to see that Envoy doesn't bring enough new hires or making people believe the flow is a fantasy.
Let's keep these common sense posts coming. By and large, over 90% of the Envoy pilot group would agree with you. The 10% are here and trying everything they can to see that Envoy doesn't bring enough new hires or making people believe the flow is a fantasy.
10%? Get out of here, it's more like. 10% company men, 70% ****ed and putting out resumes, other 20%, waiting on flow. For tools like you, those numbers aren't exact, so to make you happy, I'll put in an error correction of +/- 3%.
#135
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 468
While I agree flow is working (824 is at least). You're a douche most here aren't worried about flow, we all want normal Qol. WE ARE LAST IN QOL. YOU'RE A TROLL FOR THE COMPANY. That says enough about the type of person you are. Would any of us want to spend a day with anyone in management at this company? Hell no, so stop posting on here, we don't want to spend our little time on here with you.
10%? Get out of here, it's more like. 10% company men, 70% ****ed and putting out resumes, other 20%, waiting on flow. For tools like you, those numbers aren't exact, so to make you happy, I'll put in an error correction of +/- 3%.
10%? Get out of here, it's more like. 10% company men, 70% ****ed and putting out resumes, other 20%, waiting on flow. For tools like you, those numbers aren't exact, so to make you happy, I'll put in an error correction of +/- 3%.
#136
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Joined APC: Nov 2013
Posts: 854
If that was what he was referring to, then the reason for that overstaffing was not 9/11, or BK, or "miss management" (whoever she is), but just due to the company carrying out previous threats to give away flying, and their overestimation of our outside attrition as they tried to line up the timing of our shrinking fleet and our shrinking pilot group, leaving us temporarily overstaffed pretty much all of last winter (during which they metered the flow).
#137
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Joined APC: Nov 2013
Posts: 854
Very insightful post. I don't believe there is any amount of common sense you could put out here that these naysayers would ever agree with. It's always doom and gloom.
Let's keep these common sense posts coming. By and large, over 90% of the Envoy pilot group would agree with you. The 10% are here and trying everything they can to see that Envoy doesn't bring enough new hires or making people believe the flow is a fantasy.
Let's keep these common sense posts coming. By and large, over 90% of the Envoy pilot group would agree with you. The 10% are here and trying everything they can to see that Envoy doesn't bring enough new hires or making people believe the flow is a fantasy.
#138
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Joined APC: Jul 2015
Posts: 667
Probably the same intern that couldn't figure out how to update the flip cards.
#139
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Now this is whinning. Why was ENY OVERSTUFFED?
Self inflicted amnesia, or pure disregard for 9/11, recession/economy debacle, high fuel prices, BK, recovery, AA not hiring, or miss management, which one caused the overstaffing?
If AA is hiring and NO FLOW, you nay sayers got a point that the flow does not work. But, if AA is hiring with flood gates open & approx +50% of those AA newhires are from ENY property month after month (yr after yr, when AA is hiring) then you folks are deceptively ignorant, or just egotistical. Nobody likes to be wrong.
"The flow doesn't work, the flow doesn't work." Hahah, and now that it's working, "the flow will stop, the flow will stop."
Haha. Ok. Yes when AA stops hiring and reduces hiring projections, the flow will stop. As hiring demands and retirements continue to increase, so will the "Flow" demands.
COMMON SENSE.
Self inflicted amnesia, or pure disregard for 9/11, recession/economy debacle, high fuel prices, BK, recovery, AA not hiring, or miss management, which one caused the overstaffing?
If AA is hiring and NO FLOW, you nay sayers got a point that the flow does not work. But, if AA is hiring with flood gates open & approx +50% of those AA newhires are from ENY property month after month (yr after yr, when AA is hiring) then you folks are deceptively ignorant, or just egotistical. Nobody likes to be wrong.
"The flow doesn't work, the flow doesn't work." Hahah, and now that it's working, "the flow will stop, the flow will stop."
Haha. Ok. Yes when AA stops hiring and reduces hiring projections, the flow will stop. As hiring demands and retirements continue to increase, so will the "Flow" demands.
COMMON SENSE.
Flow DEMAND has increased. Mainline wants 40/mo. Envoy management is unwilling to comply, hence 30 for Jan.
Regionals will be begging for pilots until the next economic hiccup. Until that changes, expect the minimum flow.
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#140
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 293
Since AAG owns Envoy can they just say we're taking 40? Or does that require a rewrite of the flow contract? I can't see how an increased flow isn't a win win for pilots and AA. I've been told at several interviews and events that AAG could careless if the WOs struggle for pilots.
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