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Old 07-20-2011, 08:57 AM
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Tsquare,
I don't know why I bother, but really? You cannot fathom why a straight relative seniority would hurt SWAPA pilots? Maybe if you looked at the expected seniority progression of an older guy if you put a bunch of young guys in front of him, you would get some of the angst. Maybe you just want a nice civil war here at SWA. That would make both Airtran and SWA go away, but you would miss us too much so that can't be it either.....hmmmmm
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Old 07-20-2011, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Rolf View Post
Tsquare,
I don't know why I bother, but really? You cannot fathom why a straight relative seniority would hurt SWAPA pilots? Maybe if you looked at the expected seniority progression of an older guy if you put a bunch of young guys in front of him, you would get some of the angst. Maybe you just want a nice civil war here at SWA. That would make both Airtran and SWA go away, but you would miss us too much so that can't be it either.....hmmmmm
This argument is made in a vacuum. Do you not realize that ATI brings airplanes to this merger? So instead of having 500 airplanes, you will then have 700. (or whatever the numbers are) Your progression theoretically should remain the same. So I still don't get the angst. Except.... that you probably realize that in ANY merger, 1+1 does not = 2. THAT I understand. So SWA captains will lose nothing. ATI captains SHOULD lose nothing. TheSWA guys might find that they can not hold their first choice of vacation, but other than that, they lose NOTHING. It is the SWA FOs that are under a misguided perception that past performance equals future expectations, and their target of their anger in the realization is aimed squarely at the other guys. What you are conveniently omitting in your argument is that they have a right to breathe too, and the "justification" that they are getting a pay raise is a "windfall" is lame at best. They didn't aske for the merger any more than you did, and because it IS a reality, doesn't make it right for you to dump all over them and relegate them to slinging gear for you just because your premerger payrates happened to be higher. That is really pathetic on your part. I sincerely hope it doesn't translate into the cockpit, because that would truly be sad. Just keep in mind, a 737 is a 737 is a 737.... THAT is your career expectation.

Fire away, I'll hang up and smile.
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Old 07-20-2011, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare View Post
That is really pathetic on your part. I sincerely hope it doesn't translate into the cockpit, because that would truly be sad. Just keep in mind, a 737 is a 737 is a 737.... THAT is your career expectation.

Fire away, I'll hang up and smile.
Soooo....to sum up your argument..."my airplane (watch) is bigger than yours?" You get the connection yet, or is that still lost on you?

You're starting to sound just a little on edge. What's up?
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Old 07-20-2011, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by LuvJockey View Post
Soooo....to sum up your argument..."my airplane (watch) is bigger than yours?" You get the connection yet, or is that still lost on you?

You're starting to sound just a little on edge. What's up?
No no.. not at all. MY airplane has nothing to do with this discussion. Believe it or not, I am not bringing Delta into this at all. There is no edge and no agenda in any of my postings on this subject. I just don't see what it is that is causing you to be all spun up... You are fighting over the exact same airplane... You.. as a pmSWA pilot are going to lose nothing...except perhaps your first choice of vacation... You will still be captain in a 737 someday (if not already).... You are going to gain more bases, more destinations, and what is seemingly lost on all pmSWA pilots that post here.... more airplanes. It is just too bad for you that those pesky ATI pilots have to come along with them... tsk tsk... So naturally it is in YOUR best interest to relegate them to the back seat (or right seat as it were) in YOUR airline... how convenient for you. I am just amazed that you and 1 seat are so arrogant and condescending towards those that will soon occupy the same workspace, and for no real reason other than your own selfishness which is totally meaningless...
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Old 07-20-2011, 11:31 AM
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You're stuck in your own paradigm TSquare.

You're stuck on equipment size because at your airline, pay is tied to equipment.

At SWA and UPS, pay is the same across all equipment.

Remember the moment in the movie "The 6th Sense" when you realized that nothing you previously believed was true?

I think you need to prepare yourself for such a moment.
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Old 07-20-2011, 11:32 AM
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STREAKER!!!!!




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Old 07-20-2011, 11:36 AM
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That's really, really noble of you to stand up for the AirTran pilots, tsquare. Everybody at AirTran knows that the Delta pilots have their back.

FWIW, it is astounding that aircraft size is the final crumb of career expectations that ALPA is clinging on to.
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Old 07-20-2011, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by LuvJockey View Post
That's really, really noble of you to stand up for the AirTran pilots, tsquare. Everybody at AirTran knows that the Delta pilots have their back.

FWIW, it is astounding that aircraft size is the final crumb of career expectations that ALPA is clinging on to.
In all the recent rulings, arbiters tend to side with our view of things rather than yours... just sayin.
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Old 07-20-2011, 11:43 AM
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Is that a picture of what TSquare is going to have to do after he realizes he didn't know what the crux of the argument was?

Whaddaya say TSquare? When this deal works out as a win for EVERYONE (and not just a windfall for some), how about you run across the ATL ramp with nothing but your SIDA badge?
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Old 07-20-2011, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp View Post
In all the recent rulings, arbiters tend to side with our view of things rather than yours... just sayin.
I think there's also another great precedent: Arbitrator rules and ruling never goes into effect. ...just sayin.

I keep hearing that "seniority lasts forever" but it may be truer that "arbitration lasts forever".

How about we find a way to get an agreement that everyone can vote for and get this thing over with? Then we can look back and laugh at all the people who have no real skin in this game who are trying to protect their own turf.
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