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Old 07-02-2016, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot View Post
Examples like this are why I never gate check my bag.
Yikes. I generally bring it up front with me and just ask if they mind if I stick it under the jumpseat. Haven't had anyone say no yet.
On a serious note, good on that captain for taking care of you. It's a crying shame that we are butting heads with ground ops over things like taking care of each other.
Two of us up front and the other guy had his bags up there. Definitely learned a lesson here. Next time I'll stuff it in a lavish or something.
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Old 07-03-2016, 09:49 AM
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I recommend the negotiating team not negotiate a long term contract with the impending shortage of pilots. Read this article published 7/1/2016. If it's going to be as bad as it looks, the pilots will hold all the cards.
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With more than 30,000 airline captains rapidly approaching the mandatory retirement age of 65, and with an insufficient pool of young pilots lurking around ready to replace them, the largest U.S. airlines will start feeling the shortage in as little as three years, Bloomberg News reported this week, citing a study by the University of North Dakota’s Aviation Department.

If the trend doesn’t change quickly, in just 10 years we’ll be 15,000 pilots short of the number needed to sustain current travel routes.

So if you think you’re sitting too long on the tarmac now, just wait till there’s nobody in the cockpit.

“That is one of the things in my job I get to worry about every day and when I go to bed at night,” Greg Muccio, a senior manager at Southwest Airlines Co., told Bloomberg. “The biggest problem is a general lack of interest in folks pursuing this as a career anymore. That’s what puts us in the most jeopardy.”


“Every major we’ve talked to, they are concerned beyond the next three to four years,” said Jim Higgins, the principal investigator on the UND study.

While captains on the biggest international jets get paid an average of more than $200,000 a year, the Air Line Pilots Association says the average starting salary for pilots at regional airlines – the major airlines’ “farm teams” – is just $22,500, Fortune Magazine reported in 2014. Some earn as little as $16,000 early in their careers.*

And that's after the pilots have shelled out a fortune to get there.

The University of North Dakota, which has the largest public aviation program in the U.S., charges students $64,500 in flight-training fees. Add to that tuition, room and board, which can be as much as $105,400 for out-of-state students.

Now add a 2013 change in regulations that mandates students must now spend six times more flight hours than before to become first officers. All together, it's not difficult to see why fewer young adults are planning careers in the cockpit.

Some airlines are increasing signing bonuses and offering other incentives in an effort to combat the shortage. In March, JetBlue announced "the first of its kind" pilot training program, accepting 24 applications from novice pilots who wanted to make the leap to flying commercial. But it costs $125,000 and takes four years to complete.*

The training expense for wannabe and novice pilots remains a major impediment to young men and women who in earlier years might have considered becoming pilots.

“[T]he cost of learning to fly and the risk and impact of failure is a major impediment to building the pool of pilots,” Louis Smith, president of FAPA.aero, a career and financial planner for professional pilots, told Bloomberg.

“The future is a little scary,” said John Hornibrook, system chief pilot for Alaska Air Group Inc. “The pool is just not as big as it used to be. That’s a concern for everybody down the road.”
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Old 07-03-2016, 10:45 AM
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Apparently you've never heard an ex-fighter pilot who has never worked for another airline explain his "balloon theory" of labor negotiations to you...
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Old 07-03-2016, 12:13 PM
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Apparently you've never heard an ex-fighter pilot who has never worked for another airline explain his "balloon theory" of labor negotiations to you...


That guy is an idiot and has lost any shred of credibility he had, even with the Koolies. I just flew with a chief pilot who agrees that it is long past time to pay up and they are going to have to write a big check.
That isn't an emotional "I deserve more" argument, it's science. A pilot today is worth a whole lot more than a pilot 2 years ago. The longer they delay, the bigger quagmire they are going to find themselves in.
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Old 07-03-2016, 02:07 PM
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That guy is an idiot and has lost any shred of credibility he had, even with the Koolies. I just flew with a chief pilot who agrees that it is long past time to pay up and they are going to have to write a big check.
That isn't an emotional "I deserve more" argument, it's science. A pilot today is worth a whole lot more than a pilot 2 years ago. The longer they delay, the bigger quagmire they are going to find themselves in.
I kinda hope they delay past when DL's TA comes in. Gives us more $.
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Old 07-03-2016, 02:26 PM
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Here's a novel idea...a parity clause.
Anytime during the duration of our contract, any carrier that signs with a higher rate, we get an automatic match. That way, we will never be playing catch up.
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Old 07-03-2016, 02:46 PM
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I'd settle for 3-4% increase per year after the amendable date. That would remove the incentive to drag their feet and squirrel away money at our expense.
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Old 07-03-2016, 08:34 PM
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Yea...my availability date isn't until 1 Oct. I'm not sure if that has anything to do with it. I'm just trying to be patient.


Shouldn't effect it too much I wouldn't think? I received my invite this past week! Earliest available interview dates are 29 Aug. From the sounds of things, that would be a class after 1 Oct? Keep your chin up, the invite will come.


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Old 07-05-2016, 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Tenacvols View Post
Anybody else attend the WIA conference in March, get an email saying to apply to the new job posting in March, and then never get a call for an interview?
Yup same here 👎🏼

But then again, didn't they send those to everyone they talked to? That had to have been 1000+ guys/gals. They probably won't give invites to everyone just because they talked to them at WAI.

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Old 07-05-2016, 12:45 PM
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Friend of a friend who was at SW around 6 months just quit and went back to corporate flying.

Seems like every day you hear about another FO leaving the company.
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