Pilots helping pilots

View over 100 airline profilesAdd to Google



Go Back   Airline Pilot Central Forums > Airline Pilot Forums > Major > UAL/CAL Merger
Register FAQ Advertising Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

UAL/CAL Merger Discussion of UAL-CAL merger

 

Welcome to Airline Pilot Forums

    Already registered? Login above

OR
 
To take advantage of all the site's features, become a member of
the largest community of airline pilots in the U.S. and beyond.

The advertising to the left will not show if you are a registered user.


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 07-30-2012, 05:26 AM   #561 (permalink)
New Hire
 
Joined APC: Dec 2008
Position: F/O
Posts: 3
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by socalflyboy View Post
That being said, I would love to see a spread sheet someday on how many of those average 51.5 folks retire well before 65...with your pay rate, work rules etc, I would venture to bet that it will be much lower than at uch. At uch it will be 65 for most...and of those, you'll have to pry them out of the flight deck!
Let those guys go down the escalator first! :-)
b73nav8r is offline   Reply With Quote
Advertising above will not show if you are a registered user.
Old 07-30-2012, 02:50 PM   #562 (permalink)
Gets Weekends Off
 
Short Bus Drive's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Nov 2005
Position: 756- Right
Posts: 1,571
Default

How many UAL furloughees "resigned" for something else, then got the CAL offer? Would you PM me? (No names needed, just trying to crunch numbers...).
__________________
Check Thrust...
Short Bus Drive is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-30-2012, 05:23 PM   #563 (permalink)
Gets Weekends Off
 
IADBLRJ41's Avatar
 
Joined APC: May 2008
Position: CL-65 Captain
Posts: 245
Default

So what about the rumor that L-UAL is planning to recall in the fall/winter. Are the staffing issues a problem there like it sounds like at CAL?
IADBLRJ41 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-30-2012, 07:34 PM   #564 (permalink)
Underpaid...
 
What's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Nov 2010
Position: French-Canadian
Posts: 1,406
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by IADBLRJ41 View Post
So what about the rumor that L-UAL is planning to recall in the fall/winter. Are the staffing issues a problem there like it sounds like at CAL?
this is back from 6-26-12


Quote:
Originally Posted by contrail67 View Post
248 letters to LUAL furloughees sent out this week. Class dates August 28 and September 11. (LCAL classes)

Good luck to all
What is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2012, 05:39 AM   #565 (permalink)
Gets Weekends Off
 
cadetdrivr's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Position: L-UAL
Posts: 567
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by What View Post
this is back from 6-26-12
That is not quite the answer to the question posed. Note that it involves L-UAL pilots being offered jobs at S-CAL. This is not an actual recall but rather a job offer.

With separate operations it is conceivable that at some point L-UAL will need to offer actual recalls to L-UAL pilots. Interestingly, every single furloughed L-UAL pilot is eligible for recall including those employed at S-CAL.

And that is what's driving all the speculation. UCH may have painted themselves into a corner with pilot staffing if a bunch of pilots leave CAL for UAL. And lots of the L-UAL pilots working at S-CAL have the motivation to return to L-UAL as they were voluntary furloughees and would return to their rightful place on the L-UAL list rather than remain at the bottom of the S-CAL list. Alternatively, it also stokes fears that L-UAL's only recourse could be additional downsizing due to a "shortage" of pilots caused by a training backlog on both sides. Every pilot returning to L-UAL could also trigger another "new hire" on the S-CAL side.

The solution to all of this is obviously a joint contract followed by a integrated seniority list.
cadetdrivr is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2012, 05:48 AM   #566 (permalink)
Gets Weekends Off
 
IADBLRJ41's Avatar
 
Joined APC: May 2008
Position: CL-65 Captain
Posts: 245
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cadetdrivr View Post
That is not quite the answer to the question posed. Note that it involves L-UAL pilots being offered jobs at S-CAL. This is not an actual recall but rather a job offer.

With separate operations it is conceivable that at some point L-UAL will need to offer actual recalls to L-UAL pilots. Interestingly, every single furloughed L-UAL pilot is eligible for recall including those employed at S-CAL.

And that is what's driving all the speculation. UCH may have painted themselves into a corner with pilot staffing if a bunch of pilots leave CAL for UAL. And lots of the L-UAL pilots working at S-CAL have the motivation to return to L-UAL as they were voluntary furloughees and would return to their rightful place on the L-UAL list rather than remain at the bottom of the S-CAL list. Alternatively, it also stokes fears that L-UAL's only recourse could be additional downsizing due to a "shortage" of pilots caused by a training backlog on both sides. Every pilot returning to L-UAL could also trigger another "new hire" on the S-CAL side.

The solution to all of this is obviously a joint contract followed by a integrated seniority list.

Thanks... Exactly what I was looking for. Totally agree the JCBA is the solution.
IADBLRJ41 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2012, 07:51 AM   #567 (permalink)
Gets Weekends Off
 
Tony Nelson's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: A320 F/O
Posts: 385
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by IADBLRJ41 View Post
Thanks... Exactly what I was looking for. Totally agree the JCBA is the solution.
Now, if only management could figure that out.
Tony Nelson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2012, 09:48 PM   #568 (permalink)
Line Holder
 
SoCentralRain's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Aug 2008
Posts: 85
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony Nelson View Post
Now, if only management could figure that out.
Right. But they don't care. Because the RLA is on their side. And the NMB will not release us. It's that simple.

SCR
SoCentralRain is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-2012, 02:48 AM   #569 (permalink)
Gets Weekends Off
 
Tony Nelson's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: A320 F/O
Posts: 385
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SoCentralRain View Post
Right. But they don't care. Because the RLA is on their side. And the NMB will not release us. It's that simple.

SCR
..Concur...
Tony Nelson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-05-2012, 06:28 PM   #570 (permalink)
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Aug 2011
Position: C172
Posts: 121
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kc135rflyr View Post
The official unofficial word from CPT Venema is those on both sides of UConn that were hired but didn't start training will get first dibs on interviews when hiring off the street starts back. No word on what that interview may consist of for those guys but they would get called first...make sure your stuff is up to date on airline apps is where I would start.




Who is Captain Venema,,,just wondering
paokgate4 is offline   Reply With Quote
 
 
 

 
Reply
 



« Previous Thread | Next Thread »
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Question about United and USair retirement numbers themotleyfool Major 21 04-29-2012 03:58 PM
Deficit Spending Numbers jungle Money Talk 13 01-19-2009 06:06 PM
FDX Peak numbers??? Dracma Cargo 11 01-16-2009 06:12 AM
IATA November Numbers jungle Cargo 0 12-30-2008 10:22 AM
Peak Numbers UPS OOTSK Cargo 9 12-29-2008 05:53 AM


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 12:03 PM.


vBulletin® v3.8.6, Copyright ©2000-2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2012 Internet Brands, Inc.