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jsled

will years of service = ual + cal service?

After ISL/OMD, yes. Nobody can lose any longevity actually accrued.

Regularguy

Sorry mismo the thread was moving fast.

I did read the loa and what I read here are two different things. The loa seems guarantee longevity which no previous sUAL contract ever did for furloughed pilots. As been said many times the loa makes sure no sUAL pilot (within the bounds of that stated in the LOA) will have less longevity for pay than a sCAL pilot of similar seniority. I'm sure someone will correct my very brief summary.

The argument I understand is many seem to feel they should receive pay longevity for all their furlough time + actual service time. Additionally there seems to be some idea here this longevity should also apply to where they land in the finale isl. This is where I'm stating they have it wrong.

Now as far as the LOA goes historically no furlough time (at UAL) that I know of has ever been credited for pay time. This LOA, while not enough for many, is an improvement over past UAL practice. Take it or leave it that is the choice we all have starting tomorrow.

uafurlough

I went to a Q&A with Heppner and Otis this evening in IAH. Full longevity credit for furloughees is for those that may get furloughed in the future. This is the first time UA has ever had that written in a contract.
As for the current group of furloughees, if the TA passes, all of those that accepted the CAL job offer get CAL 5th year pay rate, the pay longevity that the most junior CAL pilot has (currently $114 hr on 737) until the ISL. At which point they will get credit for all time spent working at UA plus CAL (ie 6 yrs + 1 year= 7yr) as a MINIMUM. Their longevity can NOT be reduced to less time than they have put in. Then when the ISL is worked out they can get additional pay longevity credit for time spent on furlough, not to exceed the next most senior CAL guy. So if there is a staple, there will be a pay inversion, with the UA guy getting a higher longevity pay rate than the CAL pilot senior to them.

jsled

^^^^^^
You listening Coto? Fanatical? YOU CAN"T LOSE LONGEVITY. questions?

47dog

So we get 5 year TA pay for the 737 correct, the new pay rate. Then after SLI we go to UAL+CAL, baseline, + any credit to bring us to the CAL guy senior to us.

Still voting NO, but confirming what to look for when this terd passes.

47dog

Hey jsled.
Many of us are already getting more than five years pay, so YES, we will loose longevity for the time period between DOS and SLI.

Short Bus Drive

I believe you heard them wrong.
Let's say a 2001UAL hire gets furloughed, comes back, gets furloughed again, and now at CAL. S/He has a total of 12 years "at" UAL, but only 5 years flying for UAL.
This TA would give that pilot 5 years pay for now.
After the ISL is complete, let's say said UAL pilot is stapled to the bottom under all the active CAL pilots. That means a 2008 CAL is higher in seniority on the list. That CAL 2008 hire will have 5/6 years at CAL. And the UAL will be "brought up" to the CAL pilot. So the UAL pilot will have NO PAY longevity for the 12 years/he put in.
A 2001 UAL hire will get the same pay rate as me being a 2008 UAL hire and a CAL 2008 hire...

jsled

ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding. We have a winner. Vote no if you want, at least YOU understand the game.

Sled