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Old 12-08-2012, 09:28 PM
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Can anybody shed light on whether the application filter has been set to ignore any applicants with over 7,000 hours total time? The strategy is that obviously a company can't discriminate by age, but they can then get around that by setting total time limits that essentially accomplished the same thing.

Naturally, anybody who has been in the biz since around 9/11 has found themselves cooling their heels in positions unfathomable at the beginning of their careers, and many of our log books reflect that.

Considering UAL's hiring predilections and practices in the past, this isn't surprising but wanted to throw it out there and see.
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In 05 the hiring at cal averaged around 7500 hours and age around 35 so I would say no
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Old 12-09-2012, 07:34 PM
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I was hired in '07, and our median flight time was approx 5,000 total time. We had one career-corporate pilot with 11,000 but his time was outside the median, also one ex-mil guy with 2,500.
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Old 12-10-2012, 06:29 AM
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Can anybody shed light on whether the application filter has been set to ignore any applicants with over 7,000 hours total time? The strategy is that obviously a company can't discriminate by age, but they can then get around that by setting total time limits that essentially accomplished the same thing.

Naturally, anybody who has been in the biz since around 9/11 has found themselves cooling their heels in positions unfathomable at the beginning of their careers, and many of our log books reflect that.

Considering UAL's hiring predilections and practices in the past, this isn't surprising but wanted to throw it out there and see.
I talked to an interview captain back in 1997. He told me that any guy with 10,000 hours obviously wasn't at the majors for a reason. It was disqualifying (in his mind).

I explained to him that hiring had all but stopped in 1990 and many guys had 3,000+ hours (at that time) and had been stuck at the regionals. Flying over 1,000 hours per year, many good guys simply had bad timing.

He was an old crusty dude, and my words didn't mean much to him.

I always wondered how many good pilots we passed up with guys like him involved in the hiring process.

United obviously didn't have any problem hiring MANY high time folks from Eastern and elsewhere.
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In the end it doesn't matter how much time you have....all that matters is who you know and if their involvement (or recommendation) can get a set of eyeballs on your app. But once you get an interview it's all on you.

Plenty of high-time and low-time pilots have been hired by both UAL and CAL over the years.
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I agree with most of what was said before, but I don't know the prior CAL hiring side at all. FWIW I was hired late 95 with zero references at any airline. Nobody I knew was an airline pilot except a very senior DAL guy. Airlines seem to hire whoever their flight department leadership wants to hire. For better or worse.
Too much time? Maybe they liked their job or maybe their base was the home town of their wife's family? Too little time? Actually, I won't go there. I am l-UAL so u might understand. My UAL new hire mates from a different background than me tended to be high time, 6-10k hours. Usually captain time on a jet somewhere else.
When I was hired at UAL they had 70k applications. Maybe they would just like to let a computer sort out the chaff and now they don't hire high time guys. Who knows.
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