UAL Pool-ies
#1381
Line Holder
Joined APC: Feb 2013
Posts: 88
I'd start feeling that way yesterday. At least that's how I feel with 12K TT, 7K TPIC, 4 internal recs, and nary a peep from UAL. Meanwhile several FO's with roughly 3K TT and 0 TPIC are already on property and flying the 737 or 767.
Go figure... Just when I started to think I had a handle on this industry after 15 years, someone changes the illusion/reality and I have to start all over again.
Go figure... Just when I started to think I had a handle on this industry after 15 years, someone changes the illusion/reality and I have to start all over again.
The majority of the civilian pilots hired right now have been Captains at regionals, have 8+ years in the airlines, have been checkairmen/ IOE instructors, and have a clean record. Compare yourself to these.
The only reason United doesn't have PIC requirements to apply is to allow for those few FO exceptions. Otherwise, the industry is still highly competitive and United is skimming off the top of the applicant pool. Sounds like you are a good candidate so keep your application always updated.
Between being initially selected, and passing the online personality exam (never bring sex, politics or religion into the cockpit), United already choose to hire you. You have to either screw up the sim eval or the HR interview to make them change their mind.
#1382
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 4,649
This seems to be true, almost all the time. Back when L-CAL was hiring fast and furious (circa 2005-2008) there was a guy on this board giving class by class breakdowns of the all the new hires that he could. Most had PIC/AC time, with no TPIC being in the minority. Meaning sure, one can get hired with NO TPIC, happens frequently. But their resume/background compensated in other areas. PRIMARILY networking and contacts, interning, what have you.
The only reason United doesn't have PIC requirements to apply is to allow for those few FO exceptions. Otherwise, the industry is still highly competitive and United is skimming off the top of the applicant pool. Sounds like you are a good candidate so keep your application always updated.
#1383
Derp...
Joined APC: Mar 2011
Posts: 386
All of the FO's at my regional (SkyWest) didn't seem to have anything other than job fairs or meet a chief pilot once or twice. Many of our recently (within the last year or year and a half) upgrades have been taken by UAL as well. Most of these guys that I know have less than 1,000 jet PIC and only attended a job fair or two.
Me...not a Checkairman, app has been in for years but it seems that it's (as of lately) cheaper to make recently upgraded captains Checkairman rather than someone with 10+ years and 7K PIC in the RJ.
I have a completely clean flying record, never a problem child at the airline, and (so I'm told) I'm fun to fly with and make the job fun. I once thought networking and building a good resume of experience was what it takes to get an interview invite, but watching, hearing, and learning about the pilots that UAL is taking from SkyWest makes me wonder if all that work means nothing.
Sorry, it's just kinda dejecting to have gone through 9/11, then age 65, all the while keeping the end goal in mind, only to get this far and watch coworkers that didn't know anyone and have zero turbine PIC get called and offered the job.
Me...not a Checkairman, app has been in for years but it seems that it's (as of lately) cheaper to make recently upgraded captains Checkairman rather than someone with 10+ years and 7K PIC in the RJ.
I have a completely clean flying record, never a problem child at the airline, and (so I'm told) I'm fun to fly with and make the job fun. I once thought networking and building a good resume of experience was what it takes to get an interview invite, but watching, hearing, and learning about the pilots that UAL is taking from SkyWest makes me wonder if all that work means nothing.
Sorry, it's just kinda dejecting to have gone through 9/11, then age 65, all the while keeping the end goal in mind, only to get this far and watch coworkers that didn't know anyone and have zero turbine PIC get called and offered the job.
#1385
Only worry about stuff YOU can control and your life will get a lot less stressful.
#1386
New Hire
Joined APC: May 2011
Position: Left Seat
Posts: 8
The system and the logic can be frustrating, but when you put yourself in the shoes of the HR managers and directors tasked with wading through 12,000 applications that are constantly being updated and changed (new jobs, gaining check airman, upgrading) to hire a few hundred per year you have to wonder, how would YOU do it?
#1387
Line Holder
Joined APC: Mar 2014
Position: E145 CA
Posts: 26
BYOB...in this market, everyone knows a guy...some know several. The question is do you know the right guy? I was equally as frustrated as you...I am on the pool side of the fence now, but I know hope you feel. I don't know anybody that has been hired without either knowing somebody or being able to check some kind of "government program" box. That being said, I bet half of the 12,000 applicants have 6000 plus of everything. Like the guy before said, focus on what you can control. Frequency of app updates, job fairs, chatting up jumpseaters, logbook currency...take a deep breath, because things can always get worse. It's not a perfect world, but we all live in it. Good luck to all.
#1390
UNOFFICAL UAL Poolie News 5/12 ***SEE Bold***
UNOFFICAL UAL Poolie News CREATED BY POOLIES for POOLIES (5/12)
For Entertainment Purposes Only.
This is news you provide want more news? Send it in and I will update this every weekend
Poolie line-up based on interview dates. ALL data is based on info provided in this tread/PMs:
05 May - New unofficial total ~113sh swimming
07May Official total ~121(as advertised by UAL)
October 21-25
Non-APCer (L) Assigned 5/6; Congrats!
eyeamthechosen1 (L) - Assigned 5/20; Congrats!
AltoCubicle (L) - Assigned 5/20; Congrats!
PC Load Letter (M) - Assigned 5/20; Congrats!
WildLifeL4 (M) - Assigned 5/20; Congrats!
SoCalFlyr (M) - Assigned 5/20; Congrats!
DashTrash (H) Assigned 06/03; Congrats!
BaskingShark(H) 97 Assigned 06/03; Congrats!
Non-APCer (H) Assigned 06/03; Congrats!
October 28- 01Nov
KK0607 (L) 01 Assigned 06/03; Congrats!
Light Chop (L) Assigned 06/03; Congrats!
McNugent (L) Assigned 06/03; Congrats!
Faipsrule (L) 14 Assigned 06/03; Congrats!
Flythetube (L) *********ESTIMATED 17 June--------------EXPECT CALLS 5/15-5/16!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Norske (M) ) ************ESTIMATED 17June ********19 NEW HIRES 6/17**********
Fleghorn (M) 49 *********ESTIMATED 17 June
Montanella (M) 63 *********ESTIMATED 17 June
Farklempt (H) 90*********ESTIMATED 17 June
Hart11b (H) )**************ESTIMATED 17 June
November 4-8 JUNE/JULY CLASSES
Non-APCer (L)********************************************EST IMATED 17 June
Non-APCer (L)*********************************** *********ESTIMATED 17 June
MPAdriver (M) 65
Tango Bravo (M) 76
DOUBLE (H) 85
Siuguy2005 (H)
FUNKINS (HH)
November 11-15 JULY CLASSES
moving on (L) 06
Flygirl135 (L) 11
B1900YX (L) 11
Northermn (L) 17
Zachimus (L)
VicePlug (L)
Fresh (M) 53
urvfavcanadian (M) 56
NextPlease (M) 57
1PacMan (H)
GCGity
November 18-22 JULY CLASSES ESTIMATED
Xjt2UAL (L) 02
grnewman (L)
Tkt96 (L) 23
Roland75 (M)
merlinair (M)
Thor
King58 (H)
GuyFerguson (H)
November 25-29 JULY CLASSES ESTIMATED
Thefoxsays
December 2-6 JULY/AUGUST CLASSES ESTIMATED
TravelPro (L) 15
APCer3 (L) 44
Cool Runnings (M)
Double LL (M)
F15andMD11 (H) 76
Luvnflyn
Nonapcer2
December 9-13 (end of interviews 2013) JULY/AUGUST CLASSES ESTIMATED
Hangingon (L) 00 Pool line # ~16ish from bottom
Sharky7 (L)
Doubleddployed (H) 87
Circleflyer (H)
Grappler72(H)
Recent class assignments:
26 August
12 August
29 July
22 July
15 July
08 July
17 June - 19 New Hires (1? 737 ? 76T)
03 June - 12 New Hires (12 737 6 76T)
20 May - 11 New Hires (6 A320 7 76T)
06 May - 11 New Hires (5 A320 6 76T)
29 April - 2 New Hires (2 76T)
22 April 5 New Hires (2 A320 4 76T)
15 April - 3 New Hires (3 A320 1 76T)
08 April 2 New Hires (2 A320 2 76T)
01 April 4 New Hires
All of March 18 New Hires (A320 76T)
All of Feb 13 New Hires (737/A320/76T)
76T = Trans-Atlantic 767-300ER @ EWR and 757-200 p.s. transcon @ JFK.
320 = Domestic, including some Caribbean, out of both LGA and EWR.
Recent News/Scuttlebutt
01 May- Hiring Update- Due to some additional training opportunities over the summer, United plans to train most, if not all new-hire pilots in a pool awaiting class dates between now and the end of August 2014. To ensure that we have a sufficient number of new pilots in the pipeline to fill class dates in September, we will screen a limited number of pilot applicants for a couple of weeks in June. Our needs beyond September will be met through screening that is not likely to begin again until mid-August.
21 April CVs replacement is BK.
For Entertainment Purposes Only.
This is news you provide want more news? Send it in and I will update this every weekend
Poolie line-up based on interview dates. ALL data is based on info provided in this tread/PMs:
05 May - New unofficial total ~113sh swimming
07May Official total ~121(as advertised by UAL)
October 21-25
Non-APCer (L) Assigned 5/6; Congrats!
eyeamthechosen1 (L) - Assigned 5/20; Congrats!
AltoCubicle (L) - Assigned 5/20; Congrats!
PC Load Letter (M) - Assigned 5/20; Congrats!
WildLifeL4 (M) - Assigned 5/20; Congrats!
SoCalFlyr (M) - Assigned 5/20; Congrats!
DashTrash (H) Assigned 06/03; Congrats!
BaskingShark(H) 97 Assigned 06/03; Congrats!
Non-APCer (H) Assigned 06/03; Congrats!
October 28- 01Nov
KK0607 (L) 01 Assigned 06/03; Congrats!
Light Chop (L) Assigned 06/03; Congrats!
McNugent (L) Assigned 06/03; Congrats!
Faipsrule (L) 14 Assigned 06/03; Congrats!
Flythetube (L) *********ESTIMATED 17 June--------------EXPECT CALLS 5/15-5/16!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Norske (M) ) ************ESTIMATED 17June ********19 NEW HIRES 6/17**********
Fleghorn (M) 49 *********ESTIMATED 17 June
Montanella (M) 63 *********ESTIMATED 17 June
Farklempt (H) 90*********ESTIMATED 17 June
Hart11b (H) )**************ESTIMATED 17 June
November 4-8 JUNE/JULY CLASSES
Non-APCer (L)********************************************EST IMATED 17 June
Non-APCer (L)*********************************** *********ESTIMATED 17 June
MPAdriver (M) 65
Tango Bravo (M) 76
DOUBLE (H) 85
Siuguy2005 (H)
FUNKINS (HH)
November 11-15 JULY CLASSES
moving on (L) 06
Flygirl135 (L) 11
B1900YX (L) 11
Northermn (L) 17
Zachimus (L)
VicePlug (L)
Fresh (M) 53
urvfavcanadian (M) 56
NextPlease (M) 57
1PacMan (H)
GCGity
November 18-22 JULY CLASSES ESTIMATED
Xjt2UAL (L) 02
grnewman (L)
Tkt96 (L) 23
Roland75 (M)
merlinair (M)
Thor
King58 (H)
GuyFerguson (H)
November 25-29 JULY CLASSES ESTIMATED
Thefoxsays
December 2-6 JULY/AUGUST CLASSES ESTIMATED
TravelPro (L) 15
APCer3 (L) 44
Cool Runnings (M)
Double LL (M)
F15andMD11 (H) 76
Luvnflyn
Nonapcer2
December 9-13 (end of interviews 2013) JULY/AUGUST CLASSES ESTIMATED
Hangingon (L) 00 Pool line # ~16ish from bottom
Sharky7 (L)
Doubleddployed (H) 87
Circleflyer (H)
Grappler72(H)
Recent class assignments:
26 August
12 August
29 July
22 July
15 July
08 July
17 June - 19 New Hires (1? 737 ? 76T)
03 June - 12 New Hires (12 737 6 76T)
20 May - 11 New Hires (6 A320 7 76T)
06 May - 11 New Hires (5 A320 6 76T)
29 April - 2 New Hires (2 76T)
22 April 5 New Hires (2 A320 4 76T)
15 April - 3 New Hires (3 A320 1 76T)
08 April 2 New Hires (2 A320 2 76T)
01 April 4 New Hires
All of March 18 New Hires (A320 76T)
All of Feb 13 New Hires (737/A320/76T)
76T = Trans-Atlantic 767-300ER @ EWR and 757-200 p.s. transcon @ JFK.
320 = Domestic, including some Caribbean, out of both LGA and EWR.
Recent News/Scuttlebutt
01 May- Hiring Update- Due to some additional training opportunities over the summer, United plans to train most, if not all new-hire pilots in a pool awaiting class dates between now and the end of August 2014. To ensure that we have a sufficient number of new pilots in the pipeline to fill class dates in September, we will screen a limited number of pilot applicants for a couple of weeks in June. Our needs beyond September will be met through screening that is not likely to begin again until mid-August.
21 April CVs replacement is BK.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
EngineOut
Regional
153
05-10-2017 10:12 AM