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04-17-2014, 03:40 PM
#243
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I always thought the slider was a poor reward for the Cat, tank, and trap. I always preferred going to the O'Club. Unfortunately my branch of service had a bad habit of putting them in tents, along with all of us.
757's have a much better safety record than any NG. NG's have a bad habit of ending up in the grass and dirt.
As far as being more efficient, we are buying a bunch of NG's at the end of their product cycle. In 6 months we start competing against A320NEO's, with our "shiny new" old generation NG's. For a couple of decades.
I believe the term is "bad timing".
757's have a much better safety record than any NG. NG's have a bad habit of ending up in the grass and dirt.
As far as being more efficient, we are buying a bunch of NG's at the end of their product cycle. In 6 months we start competing against A320NEO's, with our "shiny new" old generation NG's. For a couple of decades.
I believe the term is "bad timing".
04-17-2014, 05:39 PM
#245
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Originally Posted by captjns
Provided the crew do not allow themselves to get too wrapped up or complacent with the automation new aircraft have too offer.
You have new pilots coming from puppy mills directly into the age of total automation. You have flight departments advocating the use of full automation with autopilot engagement at 400' and disengagement on short final. That said, another Asiana may be in some poor passenger's future.
You have new pilots coming from puppy mills directly into the age of total automation. You have flight departments advocating the use of full automation with autopilot engagement at 400' and disengagement on short final. That said, another Asiana may be in some poor passenger's future.
04-17-2014, 06:55 PM
#246
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Originally Posted by sleeves
That is not a problem with the planes, it's a problem with training and experience. I've been on the 900 since we got em. It will bite you if you are not careful. I have lost 9 friends in GA a/c over the years so you can say that about any plane.
04-18-2014, 07:35 AM
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I think it's a bit arrogant to make statements implying that somehow the latest new hire and airmen are somehow lesser pilot when statements are made like this, "from puppy mills..."
I heard the same from the "Tracy Ace" guys in the old days and yet the accident level substantially decreased when all the "heads up" fighter jocks and commuter pilots got hired in the early 90s and these guys retired. How could that be when those old guys were such superior "stick and rudder" pilots?
The key is cockpit discipline and an effective training and standards departments. So bring on those cute puppies (who seem to turn into pit bulls at some time in their careers)!
I heard the same from the "Tracy Ace" guys in the old days and yet the accident level substantially decreased when all the "heads up" fighter jocks and commuter pilots got hired in the early 90s and these guys retired. How could that be when those old guys were such superior "stick and rudder" pilots?
The key is cockpit discipline and an effective training and standards departments. So bring on those cute puppies (who seem to turn into pit bulls at some time in their careers)!
04-18-2014, 09:46 AM
#248
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Originally Posted by Regularguy
I think it's a bit arrogant to make statements implying that somehow the latest new hire and airmen are somehow lesser pilot when statements are made like this, "from puppy mills..."
The puppies are being produced by instructors who were also raised within these puppy mills... thus a form of inbreeding takes place, and the quality of next generation puppies are not as good as the previous batch and so on. I can only base that on 42 years as a licensed pilot with over 35 years as a flight instructor. Flight schools of today are assembly lines rather than a providing custom tailored training as Flight Safety provided back in the 60s and 70s. Today, IMO, American Flyers and ATP do provide personalized training and turn out good quality graduates.
The key is cockpit discipline and an effective training and standards departments. So bring on those cute puppies (who seem to turn into pit bulls at some time in their careers)!
04-18-2014, 11:02 AM
#249
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Even a Stearman will eat your lunch on landing if you're not with the plane.
04-18-2014, 06:02 PM
#250
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" I can only base that on 42 years as a licensed pilot with over 35 years as a flight instructor."
I guess we're even in at least one way, I have the same flight experience and have actually taught in real live big jets (not just sims, but I have done that too) and I find these "puppies" are really good, especially when compared to the groups which preceded you and I.
So I guess we have to disagree, but don't you think some of it is the idea, "no one was as good as us," which often prevails with those who are retiring or near the end of their careers?
I guess we're even in at least one way, I have the same flight experience and have actually taught in real live big jets (not just sims, but I have done that too) and I find these "puppies" are really good, especially when compared to the groups which preceded you and I.
So I guess we have to disagree, but don't you think some of it is the idea, "no one was as good as us," which often prevails with those who are retiring or near the end of their careers?
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