American Earnings announcment
07-24-2014, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Pkcola
The ramps are full of old CAL,TWA, Braniff, EAL and more brothers that become complacent and allowed management to manage them out of jobs and pensions. Hope the same fate doesn't visit UAL.
07-24-2014, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Pkcola
And I suppose you think you do - why not enlighten the masses then?
Let's make it easy for you. Just respond to the quote that you selected and you tell me where it's wrong:
"The ramps are full of old CAL,TWA, Braniff, EAL and more brothers that become complacent and allowed management to manage them out of jobs and pensions. Hope the same fate doesn't visit UAL."
Let's make it easy for you. Just respond to the quote that you selected and you tell me where it's wrong:
"The ramps are full of old CAL,TWA, Braniff, EAL and more brothers that become complacent and allowed management to manage them out of jobs and pensions. Hope the same fate doesn't visit UAL."
For starters, it's really difficult to discern what you point is with that rambling statement. Are you saying that those airlines have laid off pilots and those pilots are on the street and have lost their pensions? The only ramps that full with CAL brothers are in SFO, LAX, IAD, IAH, ORD, DEN, EWR and GUM. They are all working for United!
Did they lose their pensions? Yes and No. They still have a frozen A plan.
Did they "allow management to manage them out of jobs and pensions?" Did any pilot that has ever lost a job or a pension allow management to do it? Did they somehow have a choice? When L-UAL went bankrupt and the pilots lost their pensions, did the pilot's allow it? Was there some sort of magical wand that they failed to wave that would have prevented it? Please, tell me how that works for the next time the airline goes bankrupt or furloughs. I am all ears to your pearls of wisdom!
07-24-2014, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Pkcola
And I suppose you think you do - why not enlighten the masses then?
Let's make it easy for you. Just respond to the quote that you selected and you tell me where it's wrong:
"The ramps are full of old CAL,TWA, Braniff, EAL and more brothers that become complacent and allowed management to manage them out of jobs and pensions. Hope the same fate doesn't visit UAL."
Let's make it easy for you. Just respond to the quote that you selected and you tell me where it's wrong:
"The ramps are full of old CAL,TWA, Braniff, EAL and more brothers that become complacent and allowed management to manage them out of jobs and pensions. Hope the same fate doesn't visit UAL."
I'll take a shot. EAL, yeah mgt managed them out of a job by convincing Randy Babbit to call a strike to honor the IAM. Now that is management!
If you and Pkola think that you or any number of pilots can force a management to change their function to be more profitable in the opinion of someone that flies an airplane for a living- you are sorely mistaken. If history shows anything, it is the opposite.
I'm like most pilots in that if my card has any post signature it is ATP, not MBA.
07-24-2014, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by BMEP100
I'll take a shot. EAL, yeah mgt managed them out of a job by convincing Randy Babbit to call a strike to honor the IAM. Now that is management!
If you and Pkola think that you or any number of pilots can force a management to change their function to be more profitable in the opinion of someone that flies an airplane for a living- you are sorely mistaken. If history shows anything, it is the opposite.
I'm like most pilots in that if my card has any post signature it is ATP, not MBA.
If you and Pkola think that you or any number of pilots can force a management to change their function to be more profitable in the opinion of someone that flies an airplane for a living- you are sorely mistaken. If history shows anything, it is the opposite.
I'm like most pilots in that if my card has any post signature it is ATP, not MBA.
07-25-2014, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by CALFO
Excluding Latin America (because apparently in L-UAL land, it's not international), here is how November of 2009 looked for both carriers:
UAL Nov 2009 RPM's: Domestic - 4,287,765 Atlantic: 1,309,228 Pacific: 1,668,629
58% Domestic
CAL Nov 2009 RPM's: Dom - 3,465,415 Atlantic: 1,543,515 Pacific: 669,573
61% Domestic
So, relative to Atlantic and Pacific RPM's only, L-UAL and L-CAL were only 3% apart from each other, and BOTH were primarily Domestic carriers.
UAL Nov 2009 RPM's: Domestic - 4,287,765 Atlantic: 1,309,228 Pacific: 1,668,629
58% Domestic
CAL Nov 2009 RPM's: Dom - 3,465,415 Atlantic: 1,543,515 Pacific: 669,573
61% Domestic
So, relative to Atlantic and Pacific RPM's only, L-UAL and L-CAL were only 3% apart from each other, and BOTH were primarily Domestic carriers.
That's so cute!
At UAL, International was a Heavy aircraft traveling from the U.S. to a foreign country separated by an ocean.
We had a bunch of Heavy aircraft doing these flights at UAL. CAL…not so much.
07-28-2014, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by untied
I guess you're counting the guppy operation in GUM to inflate the Pacific numbers.
That's so cute!
At UAL, International was a Heavy aircraft traveling from the U.S. to a foreign country separated by an ocean.
We had a bunch of Heavy aircraft doing these flights at UAL. CAL…not so much.
That's so cute!
At UAL, International was a Heavy aircraft traveling from the U.S. to a foreign country separated by an ocean.
We had a bunch of Heavy aircraft doing these flights at UAL. CAL…not so much.
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