United's used aircraft speculation article
10-31-2014, 01:53 PM
#34
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Originally Posted by sleeves
I am/was complaining about the 175. How many of those are not going to mainline because we gave up that scope? The 50/70 seaters killed themselves and were going away anyway. We just gave relief to the company and Skywest etc... By giving away larger aircraft (the 175). I do hope we see the 190's or larger.
IF memory serves me correctly, UAL HAD the 175's negotiated....that is until DALAPA caved on their scope earlier that summer. Is was THAT event, realistically, that sealed your fate, vis' a vis' Pucela drawing the line on scope. Thank DALalpa.
NOW is the time where all THREE MEC's (DAL/UAL/AA) need to have a serious discussion on scope where EVERYBODY is on the same page before anybody's section 6 goes ANY further. Otherwise, all we will have is a repeat of the past
10-31-2014, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by liveupthere
Man, how did our negotiators get the 190 rates so wrong? As a junior guy, it upsets me. It would really stink to get displaced to that pay rate and take a $40/hr pay cut.
10-31-2014, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by boxer6
IF memory serves me correctly, UAL HAD the 175's negotiated....that is until DALAPA caved on their scope earlier that summer. Is was THAT event, realistically, that sealed your fate, vis' a vis' Pucela drawing the line on scope. Thank DALalpa.
11-01-2014, 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
Your memory isn"t serving you correctly. DCI was already operating the 175s prior to C12. While the company was allowed to add to the number of 76 seaters, they also had to park over 100 50 seaters and something close to 5000 pax seats were moved back to mainline with the 717s. Overall the DCI RJ fleet shrunk. As it is, management hasn't even reached to full allowed number of 76 seaters and has no plans to actually reach it. They would rather grab every 717 in the world they can.
The type aircraft is is not as relevant as the number of seats installed.
In any case, DALALPA's C12 new scope language did affect UAL ALPA'S position during their section 6.
Everyone knew the 50 seat economics were unsustainable. Bargaining for their departure seems like a waste of leverage.
11-01-2014, 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by boxer6
Ok...I stand corrected. You mean to tell me DALALPA allowed 175's with76 seats BEFORE C12? Or did they allow 70 to grow to 76 during C12 negotiations?
The type aircraft is is not as relevant as the number of seats installed.
In any case, DALALPA's C12 new scope language did affect UAL ALPA'S position during their section 6.
Everyone knew the 50 seat economics were unsustainable. Bargaining for their departure seems like a waste of leverage.
The type aircraft is is not as relevant as the number of seats installed.
In any case, DALALPA's C12 new scope language did affect UAL ALPA'S position during their section 6.
Everyone knew the 50 seat economics were unsustainable. Bargaining for their departure seems like a waste of leverage.
Pretty good balance in the scheme of things since flying goes to mainline but regionals aren't furloughing in droves to achieve it and a lot of those guys are getting to the big leagues.
11-01-2014, 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Firsttimeflyer
I'm not DALbut was a DCI guy, we flew the crj900 with 76 seats before C12. What that contract did was eliminate a lot of 50 seaters and put a cap on the total number of RJs flying for the DCI system. But it also allowed a greater number of the larger RJs (crj700 and 900 and the E170/175/190 with a seat max of 76). Lots of regionals flew around with 70-76 seats (compass, Skywest, ASA, mesa, comair, republic, etc). Overall a decrease in the number of airframes at regionals, just allowed a greater number of bigger airframes that were already allowed.
Pretty good balance in the scheme of things since flying goes to mainline but regionals aren't furloughing in droves to achieve it and a lot of those guys are getting to the big leagues.
Pretty good balance in the scheme of things since flying goes to mainline but regionals aren't furloughing in droves to achieve it and a lot of those guys are getting to the big leagues.
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