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Old 11-22-2014, 05:14 PM
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I think both sides should **** and move on.


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Old 11-22-2014, 05:19 PM
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This really isn't that hard once you've determined who the true adversary is.
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.... the CAL vs UAL attitude seems to be most pervasive in the flight attendants.
It seems as though that's how the LCAL FA's and Jeff want it.
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.... the CAL vs UAL attitude seems to be most pervasive in the flight attendants.
It seems as though that's how the LCAL FA's and Jeff want it.
I would agree. I've had LCAL FAs specifically say they don't want a JCBA.
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Old 11-23-2014, 02:00 PM
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They are afraid they will get stuck with work rules that will cut their pay in half.
The company is working that out. Hiring on the Black side, furloughing on the Blue. A couple of early outs, and viola...the 2 sides are getting very close to the same size. Better for voting in a Cal-like JCBA, which btw, is what I hope happens. Our FA contract is straight out of the '50s. There are manpower rules in there that we gave up in C2000. Nice to have in Never Never Land, but not realistic in the real world where non- union DAL and productive SWA are chewing at our butts.
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Old 11-23-2014, 03:09 PM
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The company is working that out. Hiring on the Black side, furloughing on the Blue. A couple of early outs, and viola...the 2 sides are getting very close to the same size. Better for voting in a Cal-like JCBA, which btw, is what I hope happens. Our FA contract is straight out of the '50s. There are manpower rules in there that we gave up in C2000. Nice to have in Never Never Land, but not realistic in the real world where non- union DAL and productive SWA are chewing at our butts.
Disagree with you on that one. First, that kind of smells of the race to the bottom mentality. Second, what if it was you trying to hold onto the work rules?
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Old 11-23-2014, 04:09 PM
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When you furlough a lUAL FA, I believe they keep most of their benefits, including health insurance. This gets expensive really quick.
Now they offered a couple of thousand FA's an early out, and they took it. The problem is a lot of them were already furloughed or on LOA's, so it didn't reduce the rolls of active FA's that much.
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It's expensive for a reason. To prevent furloughs.
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Old 11-23-2014, 09:12 PM
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Disagree with you on that one. First, that kind of smells of the race to the bottom mentality. Second, what if it was you trying to hold onto the work rules?
As far as I can ascertain, the LUAL flight attendants can drop down to virtually nothing... but still retain full benefits and travel privileges. In a way, you and I are paying for that. I'm all for flexibility, but being able to drop your month down to near zero and still maintaining full-time type benefits strikes me as unsustainable
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As far as I can ascertain, the LUAL flight attendants can drop down to virtually nothing... but still retain full benefits and travel privileges. In a way, you and I are paying for that. I'm all for flexibility, but being able to drop your month down to near zero and still maintaining full-time type benefits strikes me as unsustainable
Yep. Sorry, but if you want to consistently contribute zero to the bottom line then you need to come off the books. That said the CAL way of 200 hours/month while moaning about being exhausted needs to go as well.
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