I think the threat of a union is a much bigger bargaining chip than having a union on property.I would support the FA's but it is their choice.By wearing a pin I am no longer neutral and at DL I would be ****ing 2 off for every 1 I make happy.Hey, I do that anyway maybe I will wear the pin.
I don't believe so. Just look at the NWA CBA and you will see that their duty rigs are by far superior to ours at DL. No matter if I am on duty 8 hours or 16 hours my minimum rest is 8 hours behind the door, at NW if block exeeds 8 hours they go up to 9, and if they exeed 12 they get 10 hours. That is huge, you all know how tired one can be after 15-16 hours on duty...
There are other things that are better off in the NWA CBA, now if you look at hourly pay...yes at DL its actually a little higher, but remember that NWA F/As didnt take any pay cuts until 2005...and that this contract was pretty much imposed while NWA was in Ch.11
I think the DAL FAs are awesome. I think they are much better than their unionized cousins. I like the fact that DAL is largely non-unionized.
After checking cabincrews.com (which I have no idea if the information is legit), it seems that DAL FAs are for the most part, the highest paid in the industry. True?
Is there something our FAs are lacking that unionized FAs have?
Our FAs just voted recently and they decided not to be unionized. I would hate to see the grandma's from NWA scew that up.
Wow, I am very surprised to say the least. I view the pilot group as an example that by sticking together you get more done, by making sure that the guy next to you has your back. This is something we are missing as now the largest F/A group in the world, I also believe that we are now going to be watched by every other airline in the world and we have an obbligation to lead the way with improvements to our salary and duty rigs. Management keeps getting millions and we got 3% in July after taking a 45% pay cut. Like I said, I don't hold it against any of you...its your choice. But remember, we have a family to feed just like you do...and most of us have college degrees or some other type of post-secondary education. Once again, I am very surprised to hear this...and have to say that I have not had 1 pilot tell me we should not unionize, actually I have seen pilots with AFA pins on their ties that why I asked. Also remember that there are many of you that have a spose, or other family member that is a F/A...
So far we have...1 yes and.....lots of he!! no...
I have talked to plenty of pilots who will support AFA. If you think it is the best thing for DAL FAs then by all means try to get it done. I would say in NYC at least 50% of the pilots would support AFA. With that being said I wouldn't expect much more help than wearing an AFA pin from the pilots. Notice thats all any of them have offered to do.
You all know that when we talk about pay...any intelligent individual will take a look at the compensation as a whole. From hourly pay, to benefits, to duty rigs, to overrides, etc...just look at the F/A unit costs. Delta is probably top 5 in the industry for actual hourly pay...unit cost...dead bottom. Why? Well I know you are all very smart individuals so i'll leave it up to you...
Let's get this straight.... It's okay for you to strike and effect the livelihood of all the employees at a company because you know how to fly an airplane. Well, pull up the ladder, you have yours.
Now you're getting it. However, my opinion is born out of what is best not just for myself but Delta as a whole. AFA is not what is best for Delta or its Flight Attendants. Thus, I oppose it.
I have talked to plenty of pilots who will support AFA. If you think it is the best thing for DAL FAs then by all means try to get it done. I would say in NYC at least 50% of the pilots would support AFA. With that being said I wouldn't expect much more help than wearing an AFA pin from the pilots. Notice thats all any of them have offered to do.
Thats all we would like for you to do. We aren't asking you to take time out of your life, you have a life just like I do...now if you want to show up at rallies...hey the more the better. But believe it or not, its about being visual..the more people see that pin or that bag tag, the more people realize that its ok to be pro-union and pro-company. Its about checks and balances, and I believe that a union can provide some of that balance. Thank God you guys have ALPA, just by you guys having a CBA has given us immense improvements to what we used to have, or would have without you guys.
DALFA, Keep one thing in mind. What you read on a forum rarely ever reflects the actual sentiment of a group. Forums tend to attract those at extremes. I would wear a AFA pin.
DALFA, sailingfun hit the nail on the head as usual. Our FA's do a great job and you have my support for what ever you decide to do as a group. Our union, though not perfect is doing a good job of the balancing act of representing their constituents and ensuring the company has the leeway to grow into financially solid future. I think this approach will serve all of us well. You just can't get something for nothing.... everything has a price.
Its just a low paying job. Whats the big deal. Have fun and travel for a year and use your education and get a good paying job.
Excuse me??? I do not have intentions on doing this for over 2-3 years, however many of my co-workers have been here for 10-15-20-30 YEARS! Yes some are the old gray bags we all talk about, but they have given so much to Delta so you can have what you can also be here today!
Some people just love the job they do, I am dead serious...don't ask me how...but they do. Don't get me wrong I like my job, but its not gonna be what I do for the next 15-20 years.
I think the threat of a union is a much bigger bargaining chip than having a union on property.I would support the FA's but it is their choice.By wearing a pin I am no longer neutral and at DL I would be ****ing 2 off for every 1 I make happy.Hey, I do that anyway maybe I will wear the pin.
In regards to this statement...
5000 F/As voted YES for the union last time around.
1200 F/As were on inactive furlough and were somehow allowed to be on the list
850 F/As were on the way out...took the package
6000 F/As didn't vote.
Out of the 6000 that didn't vote, there were many that are against a union on preperty. But believe it or not, it included a dead F/A that the NMB refused to remove from the list, its included people who never received a ballot in the mail...asked for a new ballot and never got that either, it included about 200 new-hires that have been out of training for less that 2 months and had so much kool-aid in their system they could have replaced the kool-aid man in those commercials, and many flight attendants that were unsure. Yes, I understand that some of these rules have been in place for some time...but in what other democratic election is not voting considered a 'No' vote???? This is why the union didn't get certified last time around.
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