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Fishfreighter 09-03-2011 09:03 AM

ALPA is the nationwide pilot union. The sooner people realize that, the better off the entire profession will be.

CzechAirman 09-03-2011 09:12 AM

Absolutely NOT in favor of a national seniority list. I'm a member of an independent union. My company is financially sound. My company would be a purchaser of other companies and then they would take selected assets and selected key employees only. My company is in no danger of ever being bought out by another and therefore, I have no worry of having to start over at the bottom of someone else's seniority list.

It seems that the only people in favor of a national seniority list are those working at financially struggling airlines and those that are in danger of being bought out.

Molon Labe 09-03-2011 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by CzechAirman (Post 1048648)
Absolutely NOT in favor of a national seniority list. I'm a member of an independent union. My company is financially sound. My company would be a purchaser of other companies and then they would take selected assets and selected key employees only. My company is in no danger of ever being bought out by another and therefore, I have no worry of having to start over at the bottom of someone else's seniority list.

It seems that the only people in favor of a national seniority list are those working at financially struggling airlines and those that are in danger of being bought out.

Remember those words in twenty years, because surely your day too will come....The wall street types will find a way to punch a hole in your situation and security.....What you have just posted has been said by many in the past during their pilot group's heyday and almost all have had to eat their words.

skigambia 09-03-2011 09:24 AM

Wow Czech, could you put a bigger jinx on your company. Isn't singing the praises of your companies invincibility like talking to your pitcher in the 7th inning about his no-hitter? And, don't you think that there were some Pan-Am and TWA pilots saying the same thing 30 years ago. History has a tendency to repeat itself.

CzechAirman 09-03-2011 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by skigambia (Post 1048657)
Wow Czech, could you put a bigger jinx on your company. Isn't singing the praises of your companies invincibility like talking to your pitcher in the 7th inning about his no-hitter? And, don't you think that there were some Pan-Am and TWA pilots saying the same thing 30 years ago. History has a tendency to repeat itself.


Not worried about a jinx or karma or any of that BS. Only stating facts about my company. Oh, my company isn't an airline in the traditional sense, so it's not subject to traditional airline industry pressures and up and down cycles.

IF something were to happen to my employer, it would be a SHTF and TEOTWAWKI scenario, so starting over at the bottom of someone else's seniority list wouldn't even be on the radar scope.

skigambia 09-03-2011 10:09 AM

Are you the captain of Air Force One?

CzechAirman 09-03-2011 10:41 AM


Originally Posted by skigambia (Post 1048681)
Are you the captain of Air Force One?


No. Just an employee for a integrated transportation and logistics provider that is fairly senior, financially well off and is not worried about my companies future.

My company has purchased two companies that either had or used to have their own airlines at the time of purchase. My company just took selected portions of both companies, mainly operating rights and customer bases. We did not take any aviation related assets or any aviation related employees from either company.

TonyWilliams 09-04-2011 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by Fishfreighter (Post 1048645)
ALPA is the nationwide pilot union. The sooner people realize that, the better off the entire profession will be.


I think their nation is getting smaller....

Twin Wasp 09-05-2011 01:38 AM


Originally Posted by elssaw (Post 1047176)
Imagine a master seniority list. ... With a master seniority list perhaps we don't have to start back at the bottom.

Also, there would have to be some crazy formula to prevent a senior guy from getting furloughed at a one airline and then going right tot he [sic]top of somebody else's seniority list.

So do you want a seniority list or not?

SlickMachine 09-05-2011 04:17 AM


Originally Posted by CzechAirman:1048648
Absolutely NOT in favor of a national seniority list. I'm a member of an independent union. My company is financially sound. My company would be a purchaser of other companies and then they would take selected assets and selected key employees only. My company is in no danger of ever being bought out by another and therefore, I have no worry of having to start over at the bottom of someone else's seniority list.

It seems that the only people in favor of a national seniority list are those working at financially struggling airlines and those that are in danger of being bought out.

It is always entertaining watching and reading posts like this from those eager to "one up" everyone, even when the venue and topic renders your comments completely irrelevant. Yes, you are THAT GUY...congratulations. Got any big fish stories you could tell us?


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