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Old 08-11-2012, 12:42 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Old 08-11-2012, 04:49 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I like their last blog about attacking the RLA. The Ops Orange org is a valid attempt to gather all professional pilots together in a sense that, while not a union, they promote unity in thought and action to management abuses that are stunningly similar across multiple companies.

We face an enemy with a common strategy... use of courts, judges, and the RLA to force pilots to "behave." We should also have a common strategy, a voice, to affect change and influence the feds and the traveling public.
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Old 08-11-2012, 07:32 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Solid ideas and puts the underlying fundamental problem with our profession in the spotlight. Without the RLA our bargaining power would be much greater. Unfortunately the nanny state exists, so in order to protect the public we sacrifice liberty. Not cool.
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I did not read the article, but my understanding of operation orange is that it is a bunch of airline pilots as well as low timers who are looking over their shoulder pointing their fingers at upcoming pilots who are taking the crappy jobs just to get their careers going, and blaming them for accepting low wages and underselling "everyone else."

It is a point that would have merit if these people who support and run operation orange hadn't once themselves taken those very same "crappy jobs" to get their careers going.
For example, a pilot I know got hired at a major carrier who's starting wage was 37K (and in Canada, you're not taking home much after tax). One day he was grumbling to me about how bad the starting wage was, and how it was the fault of the "5000+ other pilots who would be willing to work for such low wages."

Maybe I'm just jaded, but it sounds ridiculous, self centered, andnhypocritical.
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I did not read the article, but my understanding of operation orange is that it is a bunch of airline pilots as well as low timers who are looking over their shoulder pointing their fingers at upcoming pilots who are taking the crappy jobs just to get their careers going, and blaming them for accepting low wages and underselling "everyone else."

It is a point that would have merit if these people who support and run operation orange hadn't once themselves taken those very same "crappy jobs" to get their careers going.
For example, a pilot I know got hired at a major carrier who's starting wage was 37K (and in Canada, you're not taking home much after tax). One day he was grumbling to me about how bad the starting wage was, and how it was the fault of the "5000+ other pilots who would be willing to work for such low wages."

Maybe I'm just jaded, but it sounds ridiculous, self centered, andnhypocritical.
Gotta start somewhere. Everyone knows that they are part of the problem in some way or another. But we are stuck in this hole and we need to try and educate people before they fall into the hole with us.

By educating the general public, the evil entities will find it more challenging to poison the minds of new comers. The truth will find a way one day or another.
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Gotta start somewhere. Everyone knows that they are part of the problem in some way or another. But we are stuck in this hole and we need to try and educate people before they fall into the hole with us.

By educating the general public, the evil entities will find it more challenging to poison the minds of new comers. The truth will find a way one day or another.
I agree! We have to start somewhere, but my point was simply that we ALL have to be on board at all times. We all have to refuse to work for low wages. The problem is, there will always be people willing to stoop below the "moral line" because it'll mean short term pain for long term gain.
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This wreaks of the national seniority list people. Not a bad idea, but not seated anywhere close to reality.
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Until someone takes the bull by the horns and addresses a thorny but not intractable problem...
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This could be the start of something big.
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I did not read the article, but my understanding of operation orange is that it is a bunch of airline pilots as well as low timers who are looking over their shoulder pointing their fingers at upcoming pilots who are taking the crappy jobs just to get their careers going, and blaming them for accepting low wages and underselling "everyone else."
Let's look to the quality of the message, not the messenger. Much of what I've read there makes sense. No one is going to agree with all of it, of course.
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