Just wondering about scabs . . .
08-07-2014, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by RomeoJulietLima
Again, you are right I have read union clauses. Basically, I wish they did not exist. I have read how the lawyers feed the unions. I understand how the airline works. I wish I didn't not! What makes me sad is that that the FedEx pilots were way better than this union stuff. But, they chose to go their own way. Their choice! But, I did know some old fighting tiger pilots! I actually did know pilots who flew with Fred Smith! Their choosing.. Before you trash me, I was apart of their company, of Federal Express.
It was a great wonderful company. You know what it was so beautiful 1988. Wonderful DC 10 and 727 landings !
It was a great wonderful company. You know what it was so beautiful 1988. Wonderful DC 10 and 727 landings !
08-15-2014, 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
So you believe in forgiveness, except when you don't. Got it.
(I would never cross a picket line, but the hypocrisy here is immense)
(I would never cross a picket line, but the hypocrisy here is immense)
Forgive a scab all you want, that doesn't mean there shouldn't be consequences. A CAL pilot who watched scabs take his job in 1983 can forgive them all he wants, that doesn't mean my airline should hire the scab.
08-15-2014, 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by OnCenterline
I was with Comair for an 89 day strike in 2001. Our MEC wanted to stipulate that ALL CVG flying would be struck work, and specifically city-pairs that had be specific to Comair, so that DAL could not add "segments."
The ALPA National folks and DAL MEC refused to accept that. But that was okay. Because they said so.
Not.
The ALPA National folks and DAL MEC refused to accept that. But that was okay. Because they said so.
Not.
Sounds illegal.
08-15-2014, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Forgiveness doesn't mean the eradication of consequences. I personally watched a family forgive a friend who had killed their son because she was driving drunk, but, she still goes to jail for 10 years.
Forgive a scab all you want, that doesn't mean there shouldn't be consequences. A CAL pilot who watched scabs take his job in 1983 can forgive them all he wants, that doesn't mean my airline should hire the scab.
Forgive a scab all you want, that doesn't mean there shouldn't be consequences. A CAL pilot who watched scabs take his job in 1983 can forgive them all he wants, that doesn't mean my airline should hire the scab.
Just call a spade a spade. No forgiveness.
08-15-2014, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
All CVG flying would be struck work? So this included NWA, CAL, UAL and so forth flying into CVG?
Sounds illegal.
Sounds illegal.
You are correct: it would be illegal (under the RLA) for such a broad definition. Within the brand being struck, the definition can be pretty broad, so long as it only affects the parent brand.
08-16-2014, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by OnCenterline
I will clarify that. We wanted any flying by Delta into CVG to be defined as struck work.
You are correct: it would be illegal (under the RLA) for such a broad definition. Within the brand being struck, the definition can be pretty broad, so long as it only affects the parent brand.
You are correct: it would be illegal (under the RLA) for such a broad definition. Within the brand being struck, the definition can be pretty broad, so long as it only affects the parent brand.
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08-16-2014, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
If there is no end to those consequences and no way to reverse them, then yes, they are never forgiven. In your example, the guy goes to jail for 10 years and then gets out. Are you inferring that the scab gets to change their status after 10 years and "reset"?
Just call a spade a spade. No forgiveness.
Just call a spade a spade. No forgiveness.
But this was my take on forgiveness and punishment.
I think someone harmed by a scab would be the one to offer forgiveness in their heart and they can do so as they feel fit.... BUTt the punishment remains. You are forever a scab and everything the comes with that.
Forgiveness does not mean ending the consequences. Just because a family forgives a criminal that harmed them does not mean I as an outsider want their crimes forgiven, I want they locked up or worse.
08-18-2014, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by CeePee
Union fat cats. Ceo's with their golden parachutes. No difference. The only difference in being in a union is you get to make your union ceo rich as well as the ceo of the company you work for.
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