Just wondering about scabs . . .
03-26-2015, 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by ron kent
To be a SCAB you have to cross a picket line to take a job...pretty cut and dried.
Originally Posted by Airbum
I haven't read all of this thread so forgive me if I am repeating what others have said.
TP, It would seem to me that if ALPA pilots performed the job of a Flight engineer for Eastern then that would be doing struck work. If the ALPA Eastern pilot performed a job ( like being a pilot not a flight engineer ) then that would not be performing struck work.
Haven't there been times when say the Flight Attendants went on strike but the pilots did not. The pilots flying the plane did not scab unless they became Flight Attendants.
Some unions go so far as to not cross other union's legal picket lines. This is to show support and not necessarily out of concern for becoming a scab.
TP, It would seem to me that if ALPA pilots performed the job of a Flight engineer for Eastern then that would be doing struck work. If the ALPA Eastern pilot performed a job ( like being a pilot not a flight engineer ) then that would not be performing struck work.
Haven't there been times when say the Flight Attendants went on strike but the pilots did not. The pilots flying the plane did not scab unless they became Flight Attendants.
Some unions go so far as to not cross other union's legal picket lines. This is to show support and not necessarily out of concern for becoming a scab.
Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
The key point you're missing: ALPA members didn't cross an ALPA picket-line.
I hope you can see the utter hypocrisy in all this. And BTW, ALPA never asked for forgiveness from those Flight Engineers and their families who they put out of work. Do you think ALPA should be forgiven for that?
The decision of the Eastern ALPA pilots to cross that picket line and perform struck work was also a personal financial one for the EAL pilots. ALPA national had already decided they would not pay the EAL pilots strike benefits if they struck in sympathy( like they did in 1991 with the bag smashers).
So all you chest beaters out there who claim that they " would never" do it.... you don't have a clue until you are faced with the decision. And for most it is not solely your decisions. If you have a family and responsibilities to them- they will have a say also. Once you are faced with the reality of having no paycheck and a pile of bills such as mortgage, health insurance, tuition, etc.. you can't honestly say for certain what you will do - as you cast stones at those who already have gone thru it.
This to me is almost as comical as watching my sons before they were grown saying something like " I will never do something stupid( Insert stupid act) like that".. and them watch them do it when they are 16.
BTW, did you know the First Officers only had 1/2 a vote in ALPA until after WW2? Before 1939 ( the year my first airplane was built) they had NO vote.
03-26-2015, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by BMEP100
The decision of the Eastern ALPA pilots to cross that picket line and perform struck work was also a personal financial one for the EAL pilots. ALPA national had already decided they would not pay the EAL pilots strike benefits if they struck in sympathy( like they did in 1991 with the bag smashers).
So all you chest beaters out there who claim that they " would never" do it.... you don't have a clue until you are faced with the decision. And for most it is not solely your decisions. If you have a family and responsibilities to them- they will have a say also. Once you are faced with the reality of having no paycheck and a pile of bills such as mortgage, health insurance, tuition, etc.. you can't honestly say for certain what you will do - as you cast stones at those who already have gone thru it.
So all you chest beaters out there who claim that they " would never" do it.... you don't have a clue until you are faced with the decision. And for most it is not solely your decisions. If you have a family and responsibilities to them- they will have a say also. Once you are faced with the reality of having no paycheck and a pile of bills such as mortgage, health insurance, tuition, etc.. you can't honestly say for certain what you will do - as you cast stones at those who already have gone thru it.
Much can be learned by unions and management by studying what led to that unfortunate event. IMO There is fault that is shared by all parties.
The dynamics of each strike can be very different. The airline industry was not the same in the CO strike of 83' as it was the EAL strike of 89'. Just as the industry has evolved over the last 10 years.
03-28-2015, 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by AKpilot
EAL strike began March 4,1989. It ended in November 1989. Very few Striking pilots got back on the property after that. EAL was on it's death bed by that time. The airline stopped flying at midnight Saturday, January 19, 1991.
Interesting story about Charlie Bryant. When the airline decided to start using powerbacks off the gates for 727 and DC-9's, Bryant was of course opposed to this, as he wanted licensed mechanics to drive the tugs. So he went and stood behind the first plane scheduled to power back. He got blown down. A sign of things to come maybe.
United is about to begin something similar for parking, after a couple years of not being able to get a parking crew in place in time for the jet to arrive- thus parking in the alley burning fuel. Wonder how the ramp workers union will react.
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05-31-2015, 10:58 AM
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A good friend's Father lost his job as an FE to an ALPA pilot at Eastern, but luckily got hired as a Pilot two years later, kept his Company Seniority and leaped over these said "non-scabs", and they were his SO's for his next 17 years as a B727 Captain. I bet those were some interesting flights. So 21 years later, his son (my friend) who was the member of the IAM and a prospective Pilot for Eastern, transferred from his job as a Gate Agent to take a position as a Pilot he was labeled as a scab.... Googles, Bueller, McFly, anyone????
05-31-2015, 11:17 AM
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Doesn't make a lick of sense unless they crossed a picket line to fly struck work. If the contract and the company allowed them to keep their company seniority this bull was just sour grapes on the part of the guys who "labeled" and slandered them.
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