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10-19-2012, 06:23 AM
#151
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Joined APC: Nov 2010
Posts: 430
Originally Posted by EWR73FO
I like your optimism but I think you are going to be disappointed just as much as the rest of us will.
Now I realize, with this management, that it will always be another train heading my way.
10-19-2012, 06:35 AM
#152
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: Cal reserve..the gift that keeps on giving
Posts: 532
Originally Posted by UalHvy
I had that optimism once. Always seeing light at the end of the tunnel.
Now I realize, with this management, that it will always be another train heading my way.
Now I realize, with this management, that it will always be another train heading my way.
10-19-2012, 07:45 AM
#153
SLI best wishes!
Joined APC: Feb 2011
Position: B767 Capt
Posts: 399
Originally Posted by ChrisJT6
Our MEC Chairman also points out how counterproductive it is to discredit a TA and hard work that hasnt been released in final product. I think the $400 MIL is just for the CAL side, yes that's right LAX LEC shot from the hip was not accurate according to our MEC Chairman as well.
I hope everyone with a vote uses thought before voting.
I hope everyone with a vote uses thought before voting.
Again rumors of a joint statement by both MC today regarding the TA.
Lets just wait and see....
Last edited by UAL T38 Phlyer; 10-20-2012 at 03:23 PM. Reason: TOS
10-19-2012, 08:53 AM
#154
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: DAL 330
Posts: 6,865
Originally Posted by Ottopilot
Sometimes money is more important than days off. Money pays the bills, not time. I get 19 days off per month. The "normal worker" gets 8. I get bored and I need more money. Note: I do not get Jr. manned, do VJM, nor do I pick up open time with pilots on furlough. I have never come close to 100 hours.
My choice: good work rules, good pay, and have the days off to enjoy it. I don't think you should have to choose just one. I'd love to make more and fly less. If people want to work more, let them (if it doesn't take someone's job).
My choice: good work rules, good pay, and have the days off to enjoy it. I don't think you should have to choose just one. I'd love to make more and fly less. If people want to work more, let them (if it doesn't take someone's job).
Otto,
You appear to contradict yourself. If people 'working more' does not take someones job then why should people on furlough affect your decision to pick up extra time?
In my opinion Pilots flying extra directly affects hiring. But the unfortunate fact is that we (all legacy airlines) are all becoming more efficient and flying more per pilot.
I agree with you about the importance of good work rules.
Scoop
10-19-2012, 11:29 AM
#155
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Joined APC: Jul 2012
Posts: 26
I think the $400 MIL is just for the CAL side, yes that's right LAX LEC shot from the hip was not accurate according to our MEC Chairman as well.
I hope everyone with a vote uses thought before voting.
I hope everyone with a vote uses thought before voting.
10-19-2012, 12:13 PM
#156
SLI best wishes!
Joined APC: Feb 2011
Position: B767 Capt
Posts: 399
Originally Posted by Kayco
I too have inside information and $400 M is for the whole group not just CAL
Looks like mañana !
In This Update
· Joint Negotiating Committee
Joint Negotiating Committee Update
The JNC continues to work on language for the Tentative Agreement and will provide an update to the Pilots tomorrow.
Phil Otis
UAL-MEC Negotiating Committee
Dave Owens
CAL-MEC Negotiating Committee
10-19-2012, 12:36 PM
#157
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Joined APC: May 2006
Position: 737 CA
Posts: 2,575
Originally Posted by Scoop
Otto,
You appear to contradict yourself. If people 'working more' does not take someones job then why should people on furlough affect your decision to pick up extra time?
In my opinion Pilots flying extra directly affects hiring. But the unfortunate fact is that we (all legacy airlines) are all becoming more efficient and flying more per pilot.
I agree with you about the importance of good work rules.
Scoop
You appear to contradict yourself. If people 'working more' does not take someones job then why should people on furlough affect your decision to pick up extra time?
In my opinion Pilots flying extra directly affects hiring. But the unfortunate fact is that we (all legacy airlines) are all becoming more efficient and flying more per pilot.
I agree with you about the importance of good work rules.
Scoop
It's not a contradiciton. If people are on furlough = no extra flying. If no one is on furlough = fly whatever you want, no one is losing their job or prevented from coming back. At worst you might be preventing new hiring.
That's all I'm saying.
10-19-2012, 03:41 PM
#159
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: Boeing's Plastic Jet Button Pusher - 787
Posts: 2,086
Originally Posted by beeker
Its going to be oct 31
At the least, it would be that of being apropos with the entire process.
10-19-2012, 03:59 PM
#160
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Position: 747 Captain, retired
Posts: 928
Originally Posted by LeeMat
That is what I was told also. The CAL Lax rep numbers were correct and JP statement also says the numbers leaked are accurate with reference to the CAL side of the house. The number for the UAL side was closer to $700M. ( higher % on pay increase and a much higher pilot population). I believe this is the reason why so many are claiming that L-UAL pilots will vote for the money and look the other way on other sections of the TA. To which I say ***. SCOPE, SCOPE, SCOPE SCOPE SCOPE and more SCOPE.
Again rumors of a joint statement by both MC today regarding the TA.
Lets just wait and see....
Again rumors of a joint statement by both MC today regarding the TA.
Lets just wait and see....
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