New Pay Scale
#171
And he assumes that those "savings" will not go directly into the pockets of upper management. He must be new to the airline world.
#172
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I don't see why I get flamed so bad for supporting a contract valued at the same as the Delta contract. We can either make the same pay rates as they have at Delta and get the same crappy scope (bad idea), or we can take slightly less on the pay rates and get better scope (70 seat limit). I vote for option #2.
Delta is our biggest competitor and our contract should be in line with theirs. These proposed rates are better than American and US Air, our next two biggest legacy competitors. Pay rates don't matter if you don't have a job. You may loose your job if scope is relaxed even further, or if the company is so uncompetitive that it needs to cut "to become profitable."
Delta is our biggest competitor and our contract should be in line with theirs. These proposed rates are better than American and US Air, our next two biggest legacy competitors. Pay rates don't matter if you don't have a job. You may loose your job if scope is relaxed even further, or if the company is so uncompetitive that it needs to cut "to become profitable."
#173
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CRAP SANDWICH FOR ALL!!!
BELOW "industry standard pay" (< Delta)+WORTHLESS SCOPE (76 seats)+NO LONGEVITY for furloughs+PAY BAND 767 with 747 (really?)+...= NO!!!!!
Look BEYOND the $$$$ people!
I don't care if they pay me $150/hr for 2nd year FO... if I don't make it to year 2 or three, or there's no airplane to fly 'casue it's been "scoped out", who cares?
BELOW "industry standard pay" (< Delta)+WORTHLESS SCOPE (76 seats)+NO LONGEVITY for furloughs+PAY BAND 767 with 747 (really?)+...= NO!!!!!
Look BEYOND the $$$$ people!
I don't care if they pay me $150/hr for 2nd year FO... if I don't make it to year 2 or three, or there's no airplane to fly 'casue it's been "scoped out", who cares?
#174
GUYS, GUYS, GUYS. Leave poor IAH (Jackson or Tom) alone... He's only doing his job and posting what Fred told him to.
Last edited by Captain Bligh; 10-25-2012 at 04:49 AM.
#175
Delta is our biggest competitor and our contract should be in line with theirs.
#176
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#180
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You know I'm at the point where I really don't care about those who want to be tired and worn out all the time by flying 100+ hours with lousy duty rigs. I simply don't do those things.
Now I see a major problem with the philosophy of these 100 hour pilots. From what I hear the senior pilots use this feature and the annual CAL voluntary reduced flying months to maximize their pay, all while the junior reserve pilots are getting abused and flown into the ground.
So is it right for a small group of pilots to be able to fly 100 hours of pay and then take the easy months off, compensating by the high time months, while a larger majority of the pilots have to be abused by the work rules (especially reserves)?
Now I see a major problem with the philosophy of these 100 hour pilots. From what I hear the senior pilots use this feature and the annual CAL voluntary reduced flying months to maximize their pay, all while the junior reserve pilots are getting abused and flown into the ground.
So is it right for a small group of pilots to be able to fly 100 hours of pay and then take the easy months off, compensating by the high time months, while a larger majority of the pilots have to be abused by the work rules (especially reserves)?
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