LOA 25 Paragraph 4
12-02-2012, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by thruthemurk
I think that is incorrect. After SLI there will be full years of service credit as a minimum according to the LOA 25 discussion sheet. I do agree that no furlough credit SUCKS, but I am just pointing out that neither pilot group is getting it - and that is a new revelation. I have read over and over on the boards that CAL pilots are getting it and we were not
"4. Pay Longevity Credit for Furloughees
Upon date of signing, any pilot who is, or previously was, furloughed and whose accrued
pay longevity is less than that of pilots hired on or before 5/6/08 shall receive additional
pay longevity credit for time spent on furlough, but only to the extent that such credit does not provide a pay longevity date prior to 5/7/08...."
12-02-2012, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by thruthemurk
I am correcting my earlier opinion. LOA 25 section 4 applies to ALL furloughees. Since CAL furloughees ALL have longevity greater than 5/7/08 by definition, they are ALL totally restored. Only UAL furloughee pilots with MORE than approx 4 years 7 months longevity are not restored.
"4. Pay Longevity Credit for Furloughees
Upon date of signing, any pilot who is, or previously was, furloughed and whose accrued
pay longevity is less than that of pilots hired on or before 5/6/08 shall receive additional
pay longevity credit for time spent on furlough, but only to the extent that such credit does not provide a pay longevity date prior to 5/7/08...."
"4. Pay Longevity Credit for Furloughees
Upon date of signing, any pilot who is, or previously was, furloughed and whose accrued
pay longevity is less than that of pilots hired on or before 5/6/08 shall receive additional
pay longevity credit for time spent on furlough, but only to the extent that such credit does not provide a pay longevity date prior to 5/7/08...."
12-04-2012, 06:29 AM
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6) Why didn’t we make the L-UAL furloughees whole for their lost time on furlough?
· The JNCs goal was immediate full restoration of longevity; we were able to achieve a two-step process that got an initial credit and preserved the ability for full longevity credit for pay and also avoided interfering with SLI
· First step @ DOS: all furloughed pilots credited for longevity for pay as if active since 5/6/08
o Pay goes from red-circle (previous pay from when furloughed from UAL) to 5th year TA pay, whichever is greater; on 5/13 jumps to 6th year TA pay if greater
o This is a significant pay raise for junior UAL furloughs flying at CAL to ~$115/hour
o With improved pay, bypass furloughs may now want positions at CAL
· Second step after ISL:
o Longevity jumps to equal sum of all active time at UAL plus active time at CAL
o Based on SLI, apply additional credit to longevity for pay for time on furlough
o Credit for time on furlough can be given to match the next-most senior CAL pilot
o For example, if the ISL is based on date of hire all UAL furloughs will receive full longevity credit for pay
o If the ISL is based on something other than date of hire, all UAL furloughed pilots will have their credit for time on furlough pulled up to equal the longevity for pay of the first CAL pilot immediately senior to him on the list. If he already has more active longevity than that CAL pilot he will retain 100% of that active longevity and in no case will any actual longevity be decreased.
-It is extremely difficult to get full longevity credit if there are pilots on furlough during negotiations and in the company’s eyes it makes it more expensive to bring them back.
-We achieved Section 3-B-3 in the TA which solves this problem for the future. If Contract 2000 had the language we now have in the TA requiring longevity for time on furlough we would not be discussing it here today. But the reality is it was not negotiated then; in this TA we solved for the future and for the first time ever at UAL we obtained longevity credit for pay for time spent on furlough for our current furloughed pilots.
· The JNCs goal was immediate full restoration of longevity; we were able to achieve a two-step process that got an initial credit and preserved the ability for full longevity credit for pay and also avoided interfering with SLI
· First step @ DOS: all furloughed pilots credited for longevity for pay as if active since 5/6/08
o Pay goes from red-circle (previous pay from when furloughed from UAL) to 5th year TA pay, whichever is greater; on 5/13 jumps to 6th year TA pay if greater
o This is a significant pay raise for junior UAL furloughs flying at CAL to ~$115/hour
o With improved pay, bypass furloughs may now want positions at CAL
· Second step after ISL:
o Longevity jumps to equal sum of all active time at UAL plus active time at CAL
o Based on SLI, apply additional credit to longevity for pay for time on furlough
o Credit for time on furlough can be given to match the next-most senior CAL pilot
o For example, if the ISL is based on date of hire all UAL furloughs will receive full longevity credit for pay
o If the ISL is based on something other than date of hire, all UAL furloughed pilots will have their credit for time on furlough pulled up to equal the longevity for pay of the first CAL pilot immediately senior to him on the list. If he already has more active longevity than that CAL pilot he will retain 100% of that active longevity and in no case will any actual longevity be decreased.
-It is extremely difficult to get full longevity credit if there are pilots on furlough during negotiations and in the company’s eyes it makes it more expensive to bring them back.
-We achieved Section 3-B-3 in the TA which solves this problem for the future. If Contract 2000 had the language we now have in the TA requiring longevity for time on furlough we would not be discussing it here today. But the reality is it was not negotiated then; in this TA we solved for the future and for the first time ever at UAL we obtained longevity credit for pay for time spent on furlough for our current furloughed pilots.
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