Delta Guy / Question
08-23-2016, 09:16 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by Pilot7576
Whale,
I agree...I was a little forward with being attacked over an explanation to a DAL guy. In retrospect, I should have left it alone.
The bonus is what it is..not what I would have liked but better than a sharp stick in the eye.
Regards
I agree...I was a little forward with being attacked over an explanation to a DAL guy. In retrospect, I should have left it alone.
The bonus is what it is..not what I would have liked but better than a sharp stick in the eye.
Regards
08-24-2016, 04:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
Thanks for the replies. We're having a bit of a discussion here: http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/de...frame-dal.html
I wanted to put the timeframe into context for our guys. I think our respective contracts, cultures, and contexts are different. We're at a sweet spot on our side, where our own TA probably helped the industry pattern up, and it's coming back around for us to take advantage. It's possible we're going to stop negotiating, or negotiations are going to stop, and we're about to get parked. A lot of it is dirty laundry, but some of it is very heartfelt, philosophical stuff: is there virtue in not negotiating a solid deal today, for a "victory" in a great deal some indeterminate time from now?
Personally, if we're going to go on a five-year negotiation, I want to vote on the very best deal available today, first. We're probably at a totally different spot than you guys were 8 months after your amendable date: we have a mediator in the room, things are moving along, and we can probably secure a rumored 18/3/3/3, with some yet-unspecified tweaks in big economic areas, and a sort of bland, marginal soup of gains and concessions elsewhere.
Good luck to you, and good luck to us.
I wanted to put the timeframe into context for our guys. I think our respective contracts, cultures, and contexts are different. We're at a sweet spot on our side, where our own TA probably helped the industry pattern up, and it's coming back around for us to take advantage. It's possible we're going to stop negotiating, or negotiations are going to stop, and we're about to get parked. A lot of it is dirty laundry, but some of it is very heartfelt, philosophical stuff: is there virtue in not negotiating a solid deal today, for a "victory" in a great deal some indeterminate time from now?
Personally, if we're going to go on a five-year negotiation, I want to vote on the very best deal available today, first. We're probably at a totally different spot than you guys were 8 months after your amendable date: we have a mediator in the room, things are moving along, and we can probably secure a rumored 18/3/3/3, with some yet-unspecified tweaks in big economic areas, and a sort of bland, marginal soup of gains and concessions elsewhere.
Good luck to you, and good luck to us.
This is like having a $45 dollar hourly raise. So Delta wants UPS Hourly AND the Profit sharing checks.
So really with this 27% raise, we are are talking $380 an hour for WB pay in 2019.
08-24-2016, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Commando
One Huge item the Delta Board folks forget to mention is the Profit Sharing Checks. $40,000 is a big check to get every year. Like the past three.
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08-24-2016, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Commando
One Huge item the Delta Board folks forget to mention is the Profit Sharing Checks. $40,000 is a big check to get every year. Like the past three.
This is like having a $45 dollar hourly raise. So Delta wants UPS Hourly AND the Profit sharing checks.
So really with this 27% raise, we are are talking $380 an hour for WB pay in 2019.
This is like having a $45 dollar hourly raise. So Delta wants UPS Hourly AND the Profit sharing checks.
So really with this 27% raise, we are are talking $380 an hour for WB pay in 2019.
08-24-2016, 01:14 PM
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I didn't say I wanted the Profit sharing instead of the A-Plan. ???? People love to twist words here.
I'm just stating that over on the DL Board they all are screaming for UPS hourly. But fail to talk about the $40,000 and up checks they have been receiving each of the past three years. And will most likely see for many more now that we have an oligopoly. This equates to appox. $50 an hour pay over current Book Hourly.
I'm just stating that over on the DL Board they all are screaming for UPS hourly. But fail to talk about the $40,000 and up checks they have been receiving each of the past three years. And will most likely see for many more now that we have an oligopoly. This equates to appox. $50 an hour pay over current Book Hourly.
08-24-2016, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Commando
I didn't say I wanted the Profit sharing instead of the A-Plan. ???? People love to twist words here.
I'm just stating that over on the DL Board they all are screaming for UPS hourly. But fail to talk about the $40,000 and up checks they have been receiving each of the past three years. And will most likely see for many more now that we have an oligopoly. This equates to appox. $50 an hour pay over current Book Hourly.
I'm just stating that over on the DL Board they all are screaming for UPS hourly. But fail to talk about the $40,000 and up checks they have been receiving each of the past three years. And will most likely see for many more now that we have an oligopoly. This equates to appox. $50 an hour pay over current Book Hourly.
08-24-2016, 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Commando
I didn't say I wanted the Profit sharing instead of the A-Plan. ???? People love to twist words here.
I'm just stating that over on the DL Board they all are screaming for UPS hourly. But fail to talk about the $40,000 and up checks they have been receiving each of the past three years. And will most likely see for many more now that we have an oligopoly. This equates to appox. $50 an hour pay over current Book Hourly.
I'm just stating that over on the DL Board they all are screaming for UPS hourly. But fail to talk about the $40,000 and up checks they have been receiving each of the past three years. And will most likely see for many more now that we have an oligopoly. This equates to appox. $50 an hour pay over current Book Hourly.
08-25-2016, 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by FTFF
Ok, they (maybe) get $40K/12months. We definitely get $120K+/12 months during retirement. You gotta compare apples to apples.
08-26-2016, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by mrvmo
FTFF....I only posed a question to commando, and to anyone else who may want to chime in, would you rather get profit sharing like the majors, or our "A" plan. It is my opinion that we will never get both. You seem to lean towards the "A" plan. This questioning is not meant to be adversarial.
Last edited by FTFF; 08-26-2016 at 10:53 AM. Reason: Flow
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