PinnacleFO

blows.................

ProfessorJoeVee

Indeed.....

PinnacleFO

The reason i posted that is becuase today I was in columbus and saw one of their ugly planes, and it said Nationwide insurance on the side, Nationwide is on your side. The airbus was using a hard stand becuase they dont have any jet bridges. Starting captain pay is 65,000 which is about 40,000 less than anyone else, FO pay is 30000! which is what I make as an FO at pinnacle, and dont even start about the stock options they give you because thats not gauranteed money. How are our unions and pilot groups supposed to negotiate contracts next time around with pilots making this amount of money? Bus drivers in Newyork make the same amount of money. All of these low cost carriers are great when all their airplanes are new and they have no operating cost, but what happens 10 years down the road? Jet blue is already showing this by not offering stock options to new hires anymore. Dont get me wrong, Jet blue and airtran and spirit and frontier have probably given jobs to furloughed pilots that would have had to quit the industry otherwise, but if these airlines werent there, would they force the Majors to cut costs so much????

ProfessorJoeVee

Indeed

Every JetBlue and SkyBus pilot should be ashamed at the endeavor they are involved in.

SkyHigh

More ashamed than of unemployment?

Skyhigh

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Earn a living as a pilot but have no life. Have a life but earn no living.

flyosu

Yes. Every pilot should have an alternative plan (probably outside aviation) for employment, when, not if, times get tough again. If a pilot is willing to fly an Airbus for what Skybus is offering, they are destroying what so many of our predecessors have created for us; a career with an earnings potential rewarding all the years of hard work and money spent accumulating certificates, ratings, and experience.

I didn't choose this career for the money, but it is part of our compensation for being away from our families and every union pilot who has taken his or her final flight west is rolling over when they see those wages.

Think not of what you are doing to the profession today by accepting that job, think of what you are doing to the profession in the future.

ProfessorJoeVee

This message needs to be sent to them everytime they come into contact with a working pilot.

HPilot

What is second, third, etc, pay? Any one going there should consider the fact it may permanently prevent them from EVER getting hired at a decent airline.

Brown

Like them or not, I think they will do well here in the USA.

They are going after a specific market - dirt cheap! There is no denying that these types of businesses in other markets do very well these days. i.e Walmart, Dollar General, etc.

HPilot

I have to disagree. We used to have a base in Columbus, Ohio. There's a reason we left. I give them five years at the most. The problem is they'll be costing the rest of us money until they go. Of course I could be wrong. I gave Western 2 years, they didn't even make it 2 weeks.