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I would think twice about working for this start up:
GoJet pilots will fly for wages far below the industry standard, without union safety provisions, for a hostile management. Pilots may be forced to work up to sixteen hours straight without a break, may be forced to fly airplanes that they don't believe are safe and may risk losing their job whenever they feel it's necessary to cancel a flight, due to safety concerns. GoJet literally takes airline safety back seventy years.
I would think twice about working for this start up:
GoJet pilots will fly for wages far below the industry standard, without union safety provisions, for a hostile management. Pilots may be forced to work up to sixteen hours straight without a break, may be forced to fly airplanes that they don't believe are safe and may risk losing their job whenever they feel it's necessary to cancel a flight, due to safety concerns. GoJet literally takes airline safety back seventy years.
You just described life at most regional carriers. I don't know the situation but I am sure that airlines all over the country are studying what NWA did to the mechanics and will come up with a plan to do the same with pilots. I always thought that a way they could do it was to form a cousin company in order to train the crews. If a strike were to happen then all the pilots could move over to the main line and the weaker company could suffer and not the big one. Or perhaps the cousin company could step in and take over the schedule. If mesaba can have a NWA logo painted on the side why not Sun Country? No one would know the difference.
You just described life at most regional carriers. I don't know the situation but I am sure that airlines all over the country are studying what NWA did to the mechanics and will come up with a plan to do the same with pilots. I always thought that a way they could do it was to form a cousin company in order to train the crews. If a strike were to happen then all the pilots could move over to the main line and the weaker company could suffer and not the big one. Or perhaps the cousin company could step in and take over the schedule. If mesaba can have a NWA logo painted on the side why not Sun Country? No one would know the difference.
SkyHigh
SkyHigh you should be in management The only thing that is stopping NWA from doing just that, is the scope limits of the current CBAs. Also, it would cost a lot to train and have pilots waiting in the wings. But they could hire a placement company to wet lease crews who are current and qualified. Again, I think only cost is holding them back. If there is a way, they will try to find it. My mom was right, I should of went to Law School. Then I could be getting rich off all airline brankruptcys......
SkyHigh you should be in management The only thing that is stopping NWA from doing just that, is the scope limits of the current CBAs. Also, it would cost a lot to train and have pilots waiting in the wings. But they could hire a placement company to wet lease crews who are current and qualified. Again, I think only cost is holding them back. If there is a way, they will try to find it. My mom was right, I should of went to Law School. Then I could be getting rich off all airline brankruptcys......
In bankruptcy can NWA management do away with the scope clause? I always wonder about how much it would cost to train a new pilot. I mean if an entire type rating costs $6500 it would make sense that an SIC type would be a bit less. Most of the costs seem to be in paying the salaries and benefits during training. If one were to do away with pay during training like Skywest I think it would be possible to train hundreds of pilots fairly easily for little cost and work them only a few hours a month to keep them current. That way you could build an army of replacements ready to jump in. I know that many of you would like to jump on me, but I think we need to think like our foes in order to beat them. The mechanics at NWA didn't think that management could pull it off yet here we are.
It could be like the reserves in the military. "One weekend a month and two weeks a year. Join the Sun Country reserves" We might even be able to sell this pirate force of pilots to other companies facing a strike. I think it would be all to easy to dig up hundreds of guys with time in type who just want to have occasional access to a plane and would consider a full time gig if one came up. If I am thinking of it I am sure that others are as well, or something like it.
Looks like GOJET just decided to organize and be represented by the Teamsters.
Does this change the general consensus on them?
Nope... If they want to be represented, the list should be stapled to the bottom of the TranStates list and they can be covered by ALPA (Personally if I was a TSA pilot I would push for them to have to reapply). Their actions now, only show that they realize that TSA management will attempt to screw them too- and really only serves to show that they fully knew that their actions were harmful to TSA's pilot group.
A small right to protect yourself, doesn't correct a large wrong against a large group.
Yeah I mean come on...these pilots are getting paid well below the minimum standard according to the sources. All this is gonna do is force the already 'fast food supervisor' pay down to the grocery store bagger pay. I mean for goodness sakes we are in charge of peoples lives. We have a 4 year degree(well most of us)!! I mean raise your hand if you think it's harder to fly a B1900 through hard IMC at night...or make sure you put the ice cream and the frozen pizza in the same bag. I even heard their are pilots eligible for food stamps! So think...the guys flying for gojet are gonna be directly responsible for paycuts that may follow now that regional will know that their are pilots willing to work for nothing..
GoJets is nothing new...AMR Eagle operated this way for years...Simmons, Flagship, Wings West, Executive, and I think there was another operated in DFW called Metro too...All had different seniority numbers, pay scales, and equipment...One had it's own in house union, another was APA...And I think another was even ALPA...Each Eagle fed among their fellow Eagle as contracts were negotiated...As Eagle also and still feeds on what was AA routes...Until everyone gets on the same page, the book will continue to be fiction...Cheers
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The only thing that is stopping NWA from doing just that, is the scope limits of the current CBAs. Also, it would cost a lot to train and have pilots waiting in the wings. But they could hire a placement company to wet lease crews who are current and qualified. Again, I think only cost is holding them back. If there is a way, they will try to find it. My mom was right, I should of went to Law School. Then I could be getting rich off all airline brankruptcys......
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