I just cannot see how EK can sustain that growth without hiring DEC's, I know it is not a popular view and I have heard all the horror stories about how much training they had to give to the DEC's back when they did it, yadda, yadda (although these guys are flying the line there now, so I don't think it was as bad as some might want you to think, I think a lot of it is Internet chatter and exaggeration) but I simply cannot see how they can do it, for what I understand the pool of current F/O's that have the experience to upgrade is getting thin as it is now, Is this just more Internet chatter or is this correct?