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Old 12-29-2011 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by dckozak
Here's the reason we need to fight the cargo cutout!!


NAME LNDGS EMPLNO 16HR DUTY/DATE
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CAPT : XXXXXXXXXX 18 00000 0430/15
F/O : XXXXXXXXXX 17 00000 1140/15
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Look, I'm not saying the cut-out isn't BS.

If the above is your only problem with the current situation, then that's a pretty easy fix. We don't work 16 hour duty days as a rule, so the fact that they do the math for you on your flight release shouldn't be that big a problem.
Our operational limits under the worse case scenario only exceed what's in the new rules by 30 minutes. It takes an operational emergency declaration to go the the FAR limit and you always have the fatigue card. How many OEs have we had this year? Maybe 5? So, actually working a 16 hour duty day really isn't your problem - let's be realistic.

All I'm saying is the devil is in the details. I'm trying to research these new rules and I have questions about what I'm reading. One, for instance, is about the extra flying we would do unaugmented. The limit is 8 right now and the extensions seem to be based on your home base time. 3 or 4 days into an around the world, my body doesn't know what base time is any longer. If I happen to show up for a leg that used to require an RFO, is there just going to be two of us because that departure time happens to fall into what was my base time 4 days ago?

Personally, I'd rather not fly from CGN to DEL (ever actually) unaugmented if that ends up being an option under the new rules just to get the 16 hour duty day off the table. I'm not saying it is because I'm not very good at interpreting FAA speak.

I just want someone to really look at this before we go for it, that's all.

Last edited by Adlerdriver; 12-30-2011 at 07:23 AM.
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