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Old 05-30-2012, 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by FIIGMO View Post
Not so sure about that Jack. I enjoy the banter and points of view here on APC. I think it is healthy and good for debate especially when it comes to important issues in ones personal life as far as work is concerned. Being informed and making sound decisions based on fact and listening to productive debate is necessary to making the right decision. I was in SLC yesterday (ALPA Reps were there to answer questions) watching and listening to the questions from FO's Capt's and even a few guys sporting DPA lanyards. It was respectful and informative. The Reps presented fact and contractual language. They answered everyone of my questions about scope and reserve concisely. (My fears about Republic were unwarranted and clearly spelled out in the section 1, hard to find but it is there, reserve + ALV was a compromise, still not what I want)

There was emotionally charged engagement with the reps in a few instances that was sporty for a few moments. But that was emotion, and regardless of ones point of view it is natural and it is real. The reps and the pilots then got down to constructive engagement and the mis conceptions (of which i had many) and half truths were cleared up. A Straw poll from the 10 or so pilots (with differing opinions) hanging around in the crew lounge after there were no more questions? I only heard one guy say he would vote no, and he was asked by others standing around "what then"? He like me did not have an answer. That simple fact, that we don't know what will happen if we vote this TA down is very true. It is not an ALPA or a DPA issue, it is simply fact that we don't know. So each has to decide.

I will be voting YES. (and I will state that publicly at any time and any place)
Question.

On the RJET Holding Company cutout; what did they correct? How was it worded? What was your perception prior to talking to your reps?

I was told DAL would not want RJET though Frontier to fly for Skyteam, not that they couldn't given the language. Further, when pressed to test, they stated that they did not "think" that it would happen. I asked to see the language that precluded them from doing just that, and we could not find it.

Would and could are two different things.

Also Brian Bedford, RJET's CEO wants to join an alliance; Skyteam or Star are his top choices. He is fighting to stay alive. I would like all of the provisions to become null and void in the PWA(TA) when they file CH7, but until then I want to make 100% certain that there is not a work around for him, or a way for him to make it happen.

If you were given the argument that they could not do this on AF, KLM, or AZ because all of their TransAtlantic flights carry our code, this is factually correct within bundle 1, but there are many more carriers than just these three that fly to the US that may or may not carry our code on a given flight.

Just food for thought.
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