The point is not always about the money....yes cost of living increases are a given but QOL does need to be addressed and can do so with out as much added cost. The rest can be made up with a better credit system. Are you asking why some of us left Ryan, World, North American??? Sorry, I didn't leave by choice nor did most of the others and wanted to come somewhere where the flying was similar. Lifestyle and Quality of that lifestyle are two different things. I've sent my previous contract to the contract study committee so these things can be looked at. I just don't buy the we are ACMI, we have to do things this way, mentality. Innovation, creativity, and change happens by thinking outside of the box and pursuing an idea far enough to see if it is feasible or not....like you mentioned that the company will do...we must also do the same.