Originally Posted by
justjack
It is what it is - but what it isn't is ever going to be "in a bigger league then Richard Anderson" unless Parker respects the pilots. The only way to show respect is to offer a contract that is comparable to Delta. Period. The "shareholder value" is in great shape and we all know it. Also I have done all that I need to do for "future generations" when I gave up my retirement so that the airline could survive. I have listened respectfully to everything that you have had to say and never once have I resorted to name calling or name naming but I can not get past the fact that you repeatedly act as if you think that we are lucky to have the opportunity to work for Parker. All of the rancor that has gone down between the US and West pilots, pales by comparison with what you are saying about your own profession, your own pilot group. I could at least put myself in the shoes of the West pilots, even though I did not agree with them.
Don't get me wrong, I am not saying how I would vote on an offer that we have not even seen, let alone had completely explained at this stage of negotiations. But you sir, are apparently willing - happy even, to have the opportunity to work for this airline at just about any cost.
Well, you're a better man than I am, I'll give you that.
As far as the Profession is concerned we can disagree but I'm comfortable with the job I've done representing "OUR" profession. What I say about it is that it can ALWAYS be improved on.
As far as our pilot group let's just say that they always seem to blame others rather than look at where they are and how THEY put themselves there in the first place. Was it the Company (it could have been), was it something outside the company, was it someone, etc. But then you have to access what to do the next time this situation comes up.
You lost your retirement (I assume you mean the PBGC got it) and so did I. Do we complain or do we move on? Sure I complain about it sometimes but I also know that I still have to move forward. The PAB, the SLI....the JCBA. We just keep trucking along, mostly rudderless as a group.
You somehow want to shoot the messenger but the question you SHOULD be asking is how deep the resolve of this pilot group to dig deep and ask the serious questions?
I'm not saying we owe Parker a deep french kiss for "keeping the doors open" at this place. Sure we took some licks doing it, but I would like to see that we find ways to show management/Company that if they give us this, we can DO this and here is what it costs. I'm not saying that the APA BOD isn't trying to do that NOW but again, when I first got here there were those that wanted to "burn this place down" (figuratively) the BOD (and the adversarial messages they were posting) were simply inflammatory.
It's quieted down over the past two weeks and it seems like they are working with the Company. We'll see what the outcome will be soon enough.
I'm just curious, but does one PAY for respect or does respect, like leadership, have to be EARNED?