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Old 05-26-2015, 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by USMCFDX View Post
We get it doc you hate the Cirrus. Again show us your data that it has a significantly higher fatality rate. I already showed you and provided you a link that your statement is false.

If you keep making the same statement over and over it does not make it any more true.
I don't hate Cirrus at all. I want them to succeed, and love their price point where again a non-super-rich type person can almost afford a nice plane. I nearly bought one, but hate the spring-loaded sidestick feel, which I feel is responsible for many, many crashes like the Melborne one ShyGuy lists below.

Since you seem too nonmotivated to read non-Cirrus propaganda statistics, here is a sample analysis:

Steve Wilson Blog - Dead Pilots Don?t Lie

There are some issues "the other way" with this analysis, but I'm more concerned with the type of accidents which you can read on the NTSB, which happen with alarming frequency.

Here is a take that it is actually often high time pilots:

AOPA Pilot Blog: Reporting Points » Blog Archive » Surprising Cirrus Stats

I like to "know" how much performance I can get out of my plane. If I have to do a steep bank into an accelerated stall, I can feel by the flight controls and the buffeting exactly how my plane will react, it talks to me before I will ever spin. The Cirrus really doesn't. I didn't really like flying the plane other than "Point A to Point B on auto most of the way" which is fine, but not the plane for me, nor for any of the numerous people who crashed.

I could fly it completely fine treating it like an airliner (like the person above said "never spin.") But for example I like to make short approach often just for fun, which I would never even consider doing in a Cirrus.

Dick Collins has a great little essay:

What's wrong with Cirrus pilots? - Air Facts Journal

And Phillip Greenspun also nails it:

Cirrus Accident Investigation

Originally Posted by ShyGuy View Post
It's a little too much airplane for relatively newbies.


What happened to this guy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAWy9mjnrYM

Yikes!
Yes, unfortunately all to common Cirrus accident. You can blame the pilot (and yes, he was at fault) but the control setup and characteristics of the airfoil make it easier to do this kind of thing. As I said above if I had a Cirrus I wouldn't even make short approach - no G's in the pattern as the wing will suddenly stall and you will have little warning to the airflow separation. It is NOT a plane for maneuvering.

Some nonprofessionals can fly twins with acceptable safety, but I am perfectly fine knowing that a twin is not a good plane for me despite flying extremely often.

Some people that buy it are getting an emotional response to any criticism which I guess is understandable if they put a large amount of time / $$$ into the plane.
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