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That doesn't address the point. We aren't debating if the UAL contract is, or ever was better then Delta's.
Is what he saying about our TA true?
Is our quality of life degraded? Did we make tradeoffs in health care, job security and quality of life items? Is this an unprecedented time in airline profitability?
Seriously, DOES THIS TA MOVE THE BAR HIGHER?
That's what he's asking.
If you think it does, please explain how so?
Of course it does. Industry leading pay, industry leading profit sharing, industry leading work rules, industry leading benefits. What else is there?
It all depends upon whether you want to talk real facts or just internet hype. The internet hype is "ignore the billion+ in gains and let's just concentrate on the little stuff". Okay, other than the 5 goals the us soccer team scored yesterday, they really didn't do anything big. In fact, if you ignore those goals, they lost 0-2. see how that works, now i get to say that team sucks because I just ignore the good things they did.
The real facts are that our health care is unchanged, if you are sick call in sick, go to a doctor and then deal with the paperwork. The vast majority of pilots will never even feel this new policy. Our scope is better not worse, more mainline flying, less DCI. The AF JV stuff is just invented crap trying to fool you, sounds like you have been fooled. Our work rules change, they always have. C2k had tons of work rule concessions. Look up negotiations in the dictionary, it doesn't include one side getting to make demands while the other shovels money in your face. This is industry leading in every possible way. After C2012, which you guys all mocked, the industry tried and failed to pattern up to us. We are already industry leading. For this united puke to talk about industry leading while still climbing on our backs as we pull him out of their hole is pretty funny. sounds like you have been fooled by him too.
You want to compare this contract to the perfect contract which will occur never. if you compare this to everyone else in the industry, no one is even close. that's raising the bar. how else would you define it?