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Old 07-11-2007, 02:15 AM
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Albie, thanks for going and thanks for the pirep. A few thoughts quickly come to mind. I really wish I could have been there.

Originally Posted by Albief15 View Post
BC claims that "scope" and RLA provisions are the big reason to sign. Making flights that start and end overseas under RLA provisions is a huge step. .
Horsehockey. How have we managed to have 12 years of flights starting and ending in an FDA without this up until now? How about all the other (dozens?) of flights daily that have been starting and ending overseas for a LONG time? If that were so important, why didn't we get that language into the last contract? Did we try? BS


Originally Posted by Albief15 View Post
His claim (IMHO a reach..) is that the agreement you sign in the FDA saying you agree to abide by RLA provisions will help solidify future scope battles.
Wasn't scope a cornerstone issue in the contract we just signed? Why were they so proud of the scope language written into this last contract if it is so lacking that we need to give away everything else that's been previously negotiated in section 6 to get it? More BS.


Originally Posted by Albief15 View Post
SVT--BC and the crowd say "likely won't happen.." Those were put in to force flex/LCA guys that are 757 initial cadre to go to Paris if required to help spin up operations.
FOR TWO YEARS?! Oh, come on. It's there because if passed, nobody will bid the right seat and this will keep them from having to hire off the street. It also allows for them to open and close FDA's at their whim. And why not? They won't have to pay anything for relocation since they would have us sign off on all of that currently pesky section 6 language. Sure the latter is a stretch, but with the current language, it's still available to the company. I'd like to see BC pony up a bet on how many folks actually get bent over by STV if this should pass.

Originally Posted by Albief15 View Post
Money--union wanted more but says company will just say no..
And we can do the same. We can say no to the ridiculous compensation at such a vast sacrifice of so many previously negotiated relocation and FDA provisions. We too, can just say NO.

Originally Posted by Albief15 View Post
BC's take is you will eat into some of your budget if you go abroad--it won't be a housing allowance windfall.
Understatement of the night! I really don't think this guy bothered to do any of the math involved. And when anyone considering bidding the right seat in CDG or HKG does some shopping around and some basic math, They'll realize just how big of a loser this will be financially to them. See comments on STV above.

Originally Posted by Albief15 View Post
He claims its still enough to live comfortably.
I'd like to see him clearly define "comfortably." I somehow managed to spend a night in a little box in S.E.R.E school sort of comfortably enough to get a few winks, even with the cold rain blowing in and an enormous turd in that little defication can sitting next to me. Somehow I think that will be closer to the comfort one would realize when living in a place in Hong Kong listening to your neighbors fart and smelling their turds!


Originally Posted by Albief15 View Post
BC says if you don't like it--don't bid it.
That's precisely what will happen, which pretty much makes his statement about STV pretty silly. How about this option? How about we send his a$$ back in there to actually N-E-G-T-I-A-T-E?????

Originally Posted by Albief15 View Post
But don't take $2700 from a guy who wants to go anyway..
What guy? Does anyone actually know of a guy who will bid this right seat?


Originally Posted by Albief15 View Post
I think he is shocked by the backlash--and feels insulted...he's trying to find any reason to say "its still a good deal".
As opposed to the man of integrity who would acknowledge his failure and get back on the proverbial horse and do his best to fix said failure. I'm wondering if he now realizes just how bad this thing really is. If he does, trying to sell it like he is doesn't say much for his integrity.


Originally Posted by Albief15 View Post
My take: Find a way to send me abroad for no more than 30 days at a time--and I'll support this effort. For now, my vote is still "NO". The potential improvements in the strength of our scope clause do not warrant me being separated from my family for 90 days...at any price.
That's a start Albie, but none of that last paragraph does anything to really improve the lot of the person who would be going over there. The money is silly, especially when viewed in the perspective of how much the company stands to reap from these bases. But giving away SO MANY previously negotiated agreements is unconscionable, never mind the purely exclusionary nature of this agreement to those with families. We gotta do a lot better than just shorten the STV. But it's a start.

Thanks for taking the time to go, and thank you for taking the time to pass on the info to those of us who could not.
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