I'm not saying they were climb via sids. I'm simply asking if there is supposed to be any mention of altitude in the clearance, whether that be top altitude, maintain xxxx, or whatever. I'm not trying to complain, I do not know the answer. I haven't operated out of there forever, but they certainly used to say maintain 6000. If the answer is no why not just say so instead of getting into a bunch of condescending bull****. You know what, **** it, I don't even care anymore. Just delete this ****i g thread please.