Originally Posted by
RedeyeAV8r
OK here is a likely scenario.
You flew outbound from MEM on the Afternoon sort to SLC. You incurred a 35 minute taxi delay in MEM and exceeded schedule by 35 minutes. MEM-SLC was scheduled for 3:30 but you actually blocked 4:05. You had a short 11 hours rest in the hotel and flew SLC-MEM the next morning and blocked 3:55.
You have just flown 8 in 24 but you did have an 11 hour break in between.
But now you are hubutrning and are scheduled to fly to MEM-SMF.
It is scheduled for 4:10.
Since you just blocked 3:55 coming in from SLC and are in YOUR BASE and know the scheduled flight time to SMF is 4:10, you already know before you man up that you are going to exceed 8 hours again.
In this instance are you saying it is legal to GO?
Legal, probably yes, per the CBA no. The issue here is that you are in Domicile, and there is no reason to exceed 8 hours in a single duty period when launching from base. I have had this exact scenario a couple times and been removed from the outbound trip. The CBA language is as follows:
c. A pilot originally scheduled under Section 12.C.2.a. or b., but
who, due to headwinds, ATC delays or other unavoidable
circumstances (including an intermediate stop for these
reasons) is projected to exceed the limitations contained in
those paragraphs, may continue to the extent permitted by
FAR regulations. Duty time and rest limitations as provided
in Section 12.C.5. and C.6. still apply.
i.
A pilot who, due to headwinds, ATC delays or other
unavoidable circumstances (including an intermediate
stop for these reasons) is projected to exceed 8 ABH
without an intervening legal rest period, shall be
permitted to continue to base or to his layover station,
whichever is scheduled to occur first, at which point he
shall receive a legal rest period. However, a crew shall
not block-out from a location after having exceeded 8
hours of block
Clear as mud !